Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide!


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 3:44:10 PM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
§ 809. Validation of debts

(a) Within five days after the initial communication with a consumer in connection with the collection of any debt, a debt collector shall, unless the following information is contained in the initial communication or the consumer has paid the debt, send the consumer a written notice containing—

(1) the amount of the debt;
(2) the name of the creditor to whom the debt is owed;
(3) a statement that unless the consumer, within thirty days after receipt of the notice, disputes the validity of the debt, or any portion thereof, the debt will be assumed to be valid by the debt collector;


Mahon v. Credit Bureau of Placer County Inc., 171 F. 3d 1197 - Court of Appeals, 9th

We hold that section 1692g(a) requires only that a Notice be "sent" by a debt collector. A debt collector need not establish actual receipt by the debtor. Section 1692g(a)[3] explicitly states that a Notice must be sent. "[A] debt collector shall ... send the consumer a written notice...." 15 U.S.C. § 1692g(a) (emphasis added). Nowhere does the statute require receipt of the Notice.


They got so fucked!

Bend over and fucking smile, for the court to sand paper your ass!!  LOL

This is syntax terrorism against the people.

While the statute does not explicitly state that the debt collector must follow the rules of evidence, neither does it give the court the authority to construe it in a manner that violates the rights of the defendants to the due course of the law.

Thought I might share that with all of you and especially those who enjoy the governments sandpaper dick fucking them raw!  Yeh bubba!






< Message edited by Real0ne -- 12/2/2011 3:45:40 PM >


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 3:52:09 PM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
So the debt collector assumes the debt is valid. Doesnt say, in what you posted, thatthe courts have too.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 4:40:18 PM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
well sounds to me like the debt collector is required to have an acknowledgement of receipt of notice to validate the presumption.

That sounds like green card to me!

listen to this shit grammar!  Someone has a nice bank account that got a coat of paint!


Challenging the clarity of § 1692g(a), the Mahons argue that information is not truly "sent" until "received,"  [now that is not correct, once sent and proven sent it is sent!] and contend we should focus on the section's reference to "communication." The Mahons point to the language of section 1692g(a) which provides: "Within five days after the initial communication with a consumer ... a debt collector shall, unless the following information is contained in the initial communication ... send the consumer a written notice...." 15 U.S.C. § 1692g(a) (emphasis added). Relying on this language, the Mahons argue "communication" is the operative word, and requires an interactive exchange of some kind between the collector and the debtor.

[ They cut the sentence short and left out the "upon receipt" part...... convenient ]

The Mahons' argument misconstrues the section's use of "communication." [ wait till you see their fucking abortion of an opinion] Section 1692g(a) uses communication as a noun rather than as a verb.  [FUCKING DUH!  last time I checked communication is a noun and usually nouns are used as nouns and of course nouns establish facts, cant have that!]

The FDCPA defines communication as "the conveying of information regarding a debt directly or indirectly to any person through any medium." 15 U.S.C. § 1692a(2). Thus, in section 1692g(a), the word "communication" functions solely as a vehicle of information, whereas the word "sent" operates as the active verb identifying the requisite action.

Welcome to the fucking JUST - US club!







< Message edited by Real0ne -- 12/2/2011 4:48:09 PM >


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 4:55:15 PM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
the courts make a shit load of MONEY running dents through traffic tickets parking tickets you name it!

What good does it do for congress to pass laws when the judges have everything to gain and nothing to lose from asswipe decisions like this one?

Does the above decision reflect the INTENT of congress?

quote:

§ 802. Congressional findings and declaration of purpose

(a) There is abundant evidence of the use of abusive, deceptive,
and unfair debt collection practices by many debt collectors.
Abusive debt collection practices contribute to the number of personal bankruptcies, to marital instability, to the loss of jobs, and to invasions of individual privacy.

(b) Existing laws and procedures for redressing these injuries are inadequate to protect consumers.

(c) Means other than misrepresentation or other abusive debt collection practices are available for the effective collection
of debts.

(d) Abusive debt collection practices are carried on to a substantial
extent in interstate commerce and through means and instrumentalities of such commerce. Even where abusive debt collection practices are purely intrastate in character, they nevertheless directly affect interstate commerce.

(e) It is the purpose of this title to eliminate abusive debt collection
practices by debt collectors, to insure that those debt collectors who refrain from using abusive debt collection practices are not competitively disadvantaged, and to promote consistent State action to protect consumers against debt collection abuses.


How about paid off unfair judges in collusion with the banks and attorneys?

doesnt it make ya just wanna take your case to court?

Any wonder why america has fucking given up years ago?

How does a country defend justice and defeat the gate keepers?





< Message edited by Real0ne -- 12/2/2011 4:59:02 PM >


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 5:24:26 PM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
UNBELIEVABLE!

Look what they did to this guy!


quote:

The language found in Transworld's January 13, 1989 letter ("All portions of this claim shall be assumed valid unless disputed within thirty days of receiving this notice") clearly satisfies 15 U.S.C. § 1692g(a)(3), even under the "least sophisticated consumer" standard.

Though Smith correctly notes that Transworld's wording does not specifically state that a portion of the debt may be contested, Transworld's letter adequately informs the reader that the debt must be disputed, if at all, within thirty days — it is implicit that the claim can be wholly, or partially, challenged. We therefore reject Smith's first assignment of error.

Thats what the court interprets ruling toward the "least sophisticated consumer"!


After distinguishing the limited case law that Smith cited to support his position, the district court concluded:

WTF was he supposed to do invent some?  The fact that he presented supporting case law is adequate!  Now they want to imply you have to put in volumes upon volumes of case law?  Try that sometimes, the asswipes will then tell you that you put in so much you are wasting the courts time! 

   The Court finds that defendant did not misrepresent its government status within the State of Ohio in order to make its request for payment more compelling or threatening to the least sophisticated consumer. The least sophisticated consumer would not have been misled by either the language contained in defendant's collection letters or the statement concerning its licensing status which appeared in small print at the bottom of its letters.

District Court's July 23, 1990 Memorandum Opinion at 20.

The district court's finding is clearly correct. In addition to the statement being true (Transworld is a licensed collection agency in numerous states), Transworld's statement clearly falls outside the scope of 15 U.S.C. § 1692e(1) which proscribes the "implication that the debt collector is vouched for, bonded by, or affiliated with the United States or any State, including the use of any badge, uniform, or facsimile thereof." Though a very narrow reading of the statute may support Smith's position, we believe that the district court correctly found Smith's argument unpersuasive, 1030*1030 even under the "least sophisticated consumer" standard. Smith's second assignment of error is therefore meritless.


Though it is undisputed that Transworld's Columbus, Ohio, office received Smith's cease and desist letter before mailing its second collection letter from its California headquarters, Transworld argues that the second mailing resulted from a bona fide error. See 15 U.S.C. § 1692k(c) ("A debt collector may not be held liable in any action brought under this subchapter if the debt collector shows by a preponderance of evidence that the violation was not intentional and resulted from a bona fide error notwithstanding the maintenance of procedures reasonably adapted to avoid any such error.").

Smith v. Transworld Systems, Inc., 953 F. 2d 1025 - Court of Appeals, 6th Circuit



unfucking believable peeps!

you odnt need a dictator, just judges that work for one!




_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 8:06:28 PM   
MasterSlaveLA


Posts: 3991
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide!



And here, I thought this was gonna be a thread on HNG emails?!!

Carry on. 



_____________________________

It's only kinky the first time!!!

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! - 12/2/2011 10:23:19 PM   
Termyn8or


Posts: 18681
Joined: 11/12/2005
Status: offline
quote:

§ 809. Validation of debts

(a) Within five days after the initial communication with a consumer in connection with the collection of any debt, a debt collector shall, unless the following information is contained in the initial communication or the consumer has paid the debt, send the consumer a written notice containing—

(1) the amount of the debt;
(2) the name of the creditor to whom the debt is owed;
(3) a statement that unless the consumer, within thirty days after receipt of the notice, disputes the validity of the debt, or any portion thereof, the debt will be assumed to be valid by the debt collector;


Mahon v. Credit Bureau of Placer County Inc., 171 F. 3d 1197 - Court of Appeals, 9th

We hold that section 1692g(a) requires only that a Notice be "sent" by a debt collector. A debt collector need not establish actual receipt by the debtor. Section 1692g(a)[3] explicitly states that a Notice must be sent. "[A] debt collector shall ... send the consumer a written notice...." 15 U.S.C. § 1692g(a) (emphasis added). Nowhere does the statute require receipt of the Notice.


And then they put your ass in jail for contempt of court fo not showing up at a CIVIL hearing. The debtor's prisons are coming back unless people get uppity about this and fast. Threatening candidates with the loss of your vote means absolutely nothing, so what do you have in mind ?

T^T

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 7
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Just STFU, Bend over and spread em wide! Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.063