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It's the intense training. Safety is second nature to these guys.

LMFAO perhaps you might want to review the tapes of the los angeles bank robery the "keystone kops" tried to deal with.

LMFAO........I've seen them.  I didn't see any SWAT Teams initially.  I didn't see anyone capable of making a head shot either.  With that kind of  marksmanship it makes me wonder how good their SWAT team training was at the time.

And your comparison doesn't make sense.  LA cops fucked up so SWAT teams are unsafe fuck ups too??    Still LMFAO

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Not to mention the muzzle is pointing at the column.

From the angle of the photo there is no way to tell just where the muzzel is pointed.

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That is the safe way to carry that weapon..

"safe carry" would be muzzle down. This cop is in the "alert" position.

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"Gun Control" let Hitler disarm everyone. No, I'm not for it. See also: Jews for the preservation of firearms ownership.

Where did you ever get the idea that hitler disarmed anyone? Private ownership of firearms was illegal in germany long before hitler ever came to power.

Maybe this could be one of many places he got the idea.    http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html   

This might be worthwhile reading for you.

Your link does not work:
Following Germany's defeat in World War I, the Weimar Republic passed very strict gun control laws essentially banning all gun ownership, in an attempt both to stabilize the country and to comply with the Versailles Treaty of 1919. The Treaty of Versailles itself imposed severe gun restrictions on German citizens. But even before the Treaty was signed, the German parliament of the Weimar Republic enacted legislation prohibiting gun possession: on January 13, 1919, the Reichstag enacted legislation requiring the surrender of all guns to the government. This law, as well as the August 7, 1920, Law on the Disarmament of the People passed in light of the Versailles Treaty, remained in effect until 1928, when the German parliament enacted the Law on Firearms and Ammunition (April 12, 1928)--a law which relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm licensing scheme.

Gun control was not initiated at the behest or on behalf of the Nazis--it was in fact designed to keep them, or others of the same ilk, from executing a revolution against the lawful government. In the strictest sense, the law succeeded--the Nazis did not stage an armed coup.


 

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Gun control was not initiated at the behest or on behalf of the Nazis--it was in fact designed to keep them, or others of the same ilk, from executing a revolution against the lawful government. In the strictest sense, the law succeeded--the Nazis did not stage an armed coup.





 

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(Does that muzzle look like it's pointed in a safe direction?)

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Los angeles swat is probably representative of most big city swat teams...my point is that they(swat) are not "highly trained". They may have more training than a regular cop but hardly in the catagory of "highly trained"

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These men and women are protecting us from would-be terrorists and the best armed thugs in the world.

What is a "would-be" terrorist?  So they arrest themselves?

We should give the police every means to do their jobs and not be out gunned by criminals.I don`t care if it looks "militarized".

Lets give them nukes so they are the only ones left that will fix everything!

God bless them.

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Guerena grabbed his assault rifle and was pointing it at the SWAT team, which was trying to serve a narcotics search warrant as part of a multi-house drug crackdown, when the team broke down the door. At first the Pima County Sheriff's Office said that Guerena fired first, but on Wednesday officials backtracked and said he had not. "The safety was on and he could not fire," according to the sheriff's statement.


Tucson SWAT Team Shot Iraq War Vet 60 Times


SWAT team members fired 71 times and hit Guerena 60 times, police said.


In a frantic 911 call, Vanessa Guerena begged for medical help for her husband. "He's on the floor!" she said, crying, to the 911 operator. "Can you please hurry up?"


Asked if law enforcement was inside or outside the house, she told the operator, according to a transcript of the call, that they were inside. "They were ... going to shoot me. And I put my kid in front of me."


A report by ABC News affiliate KGUN found that more than an hour had passed before the SWAT team let the paramedics work on Guerena. By then he was dead.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-iraq-marine-veteran/story?id=13640112#.TtwYEPJo_T8

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Los angeles swat is probably representative of most big city swat teams...my point is that they(swat) are not "highly trained". They may have more training than a regular cop but hardly in the catagory of "highly trained"

I would beg to differ on that. SWAT, at least most of them are well trained.  Much of the time they are ex military.

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So does that mean you think gun registration is a cool idea ??


My idea of gun control means using both hands.

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Los angeles swat is probably representative of most big city swat teams...my point is that they(swat) are not "highly trained". They may have more training than a regular cop but hardly in the catagory of "highly trained"

I would beg to differ on that. SWAT, at least most of them are well trained.  Much of the time they are ex military.

I beg to differ, they can follow orders, and until you get up to delts etc they are not well trained, a big fucking boy scout camp.  Didnt work for the AZ vet that was gunned down by a city execution squad.

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Alert carry is in front of him... at least according to the Marines. I suppose you can argue with them if you wish.


The weapon seems to be in front of him.
Which of the tactical positions that the marines list do you feel this cop is in?

http://ofp.umbr.net/Other/milpubs/Rifle%20Marksmanship%20%20%20(MCRP%203-01A).pdf

Not enough of an issue for me to argue over.

It obviously is or you would not have posted this.

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These men and women are protecting us from would-be terrorists and the best armed thugs in the world.

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It's the intense training. Safety is second nature to these guys.

LMFAO perhaps you might want to review the tapes of the los angeles bank robery the "keystone kops" tried to deal with.

LMFAO........I've seen them.  I didn't see any SWAT Teams initially.  I didn't see anyone capable of making a head shot either.  With that kind of  marksmanship it makes me wonder how good their SWAT team training was at the time.

And your comparison doesn't make sense.  LA cops fucked up so SWAT teams are unsafe fuck ups too??    Still LMFAO

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Not to mention the muzzle is pointing at the column.

From the angle of the photo there is no way to tell just where the muzzel is pointed.

A foot back from the edge of the column, the gun held at a 90 degree angle. Maybe you cant tell...

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That is the safe way to carry that weapon..

"safe carry" would be muzzle down. This cop is in the "alert" position.

Alert carry is in front of him... at least according to the Marines. I suppose you can argue with them if you wish.

http://ofp.umbr.net/Other/milpubs/Rifle%20Marksmanship%20%20%20(MCRP%203-01A).pdf

Not enough of an issue for me to argue over.

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Los angeles swat is probably representative of most big city swat teams...my point is that they(swat) are not "highly trained". They may have more training than a regular cop but hardly in the catagory of "highly trained"

I would beg to differ on that. SWAT, at least most of them are well trained.  Many of them are ex military.

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Except he's not a marine.

He's not a soldier.

He's an OFFICER OF THE LAW.

Remember, Andy and Barney kept the peace, and Barney kept his bullet in his shirt pocket.