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seekerofslut -> RE: Obama the nominee??? (12/5/2011 12:45:42 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
1. This sounds like YOU think he's an empty suit, radical, and incompetent, and assume that everyone else, including those you acknowledge as being liberal, see things your way.
Most democrats I know (IRL) would trade O for Hillary in a heartbeat. This says something. Also, even some of the liberal wing of the MSM are backing away from Obama.
2. His domestic policies have not gone well. His foreign policies have actually been pretty good, especially in very tricky times.
Unless the middle-east blows up, domestic will be center stage come summer.
3. Actually, the major dissent from within his party comes from those who feel he's not done enough to break from Bush's policies.
Those are the most vocal.
He's fairly moderate.
As opposed to whom and by what metric? I find him quite radical as opposed to Clinton in his last 2 years.
However, there are a lot of talking heads who claim he's a dangerous radical.
That is arguable. Point of view kinda thing.
I'm not certain whether they do that to sell more books or because they sincerely believe it.
Depends on one's point of view as to the evidence.
Obama represents the Dems' best shot at holding the WH for four more years.
Appearances can be deceiving. My opinion here, but Obama is seen by the majority of the electorate as out of touch, even incompetent (hence his current polling numbers). Four years has been quite enough. But there is a problem too. (got that "too" right[:)] Heh!) The republican field is total crap, excepting Paul for the libertarian minded.
Hillary is quite savvy. Knows which way the winds are blowing. Way more so than Obama. As you said DS, "His domestic policies have not gone well." As the economy deteriorates so shall his poll numbers. Obama is a sinking ship.
That would be just about unprecedented.
Damn right. But I see a move to Hillary as a way to garner the independents, the disillusioned democrats and even some republicans. Just because Obama is a sitting president and currently the only one in the race does not mean he must be selected. The polling numbers indicate a repudiation of Obama's policies, and what the right offers - sucks. Hillary is easily viewed as centrist. Not that such would solve anything, but, though she says she does not want back in, she could win, which is the point of the game.
Note that in your scenario, Obama will not win on the first ballot. That implies that somebody would run against him. Who do you see challenging him, in the primaries? I sure as heck don't see anyone.
I see Hillary, whether she's actually running or not. She doesn't need to actively run against Obama. She doesn't need to debate the Teleprompter-In-Chief. She need only accept if the offer is made. I believe it will be, enough so I bet on it. Of course, I could be wrong.
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