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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 12:21:00 PM   
needlesandpins


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again you are missing the point. obviously you are choosing the extremes where i'm talking about the everyday person with no major issues.

have you ever thought that if you don't think your guy is good enough just how he is that maybe he's not the one for you? i mean, if you think he should be fitter and healthier to match your standards then what if he chooses to put on weight? will he mean less to you?

i'm not the only one who has said what i have, everyone has said the same thing.

you're choosing to be really anal about what people are trying to tell you. i don't care what you do with the gifts you get, as someone else said, it shows a lack of thought on the givers part. however, what you might want to consider sweetheart is how you feel and think when you get that gift you are binning. that's just how you may be making people feel too, that you don't know them at all and you've made no effort to make the gift personal to them.

within my life i also have an alcoholic, smokers, and diabetics. i'm not going to give them something to help kill them either, just as i wouldn't go out and buy drugs for an addict, but i'll still give them something personal to them instead of foisting what i think they should like on them. not everyone is obese who likes the sweet calorie stuff so if they want it why the hell not?

it's about being personal to them. like i keep saying, it's not about YOU and YOUR wants when you are gifting someone else.

needles

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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 12:30:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins



it's about being personal to them. like i keep saying, it's not about YOU and YOUR wants when you are gifting someone else.

needles


Actually, I kind of like to think it's a little bit of both. I can understand having some preferences about what to give another person. I certainly wouldn't knowingly get anything that may hurt their feelings (which I feel a session with a personal trainer may do) but I wouldn't get them a box of fudge, either, if it goes against my thinking to do so. For instance, I don't care how much a friend may love certain treats, I'm not buying anybody anything made with either red dye or TBHQ. It's just not happening, and my friend would be awfully surprised and shocked if I did.

That's what's so great about personal gifts, don't you think? That the gift is, in part, an extension of the person doing the giving.

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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 12:50:02 PM   
needlesandpins


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins



it's about being personal to them. like i keep saying, it's not about YOU and YOUR wants when you are gifting someone else.

needles


Actually, I kind of like to think it's a little bit of both. I can understand having some preferences about what to give another person. I certainly wouldn't knowingly get anything that may hurt their feelings (which I feel a session with a personal trainer may do) but I wouldn't get them a box of fudge, either, if it goes against my thinking to do so. For instance, I don't care how much a friend may love certain treats, I'm not buying anybody anything made with either red dye or TBHQ. It's just not happening, and my friend would be awfully surprised and shocked if I did.

That's what's so great about personal gifts, don't you think? That the gift is, in part, an extension of the person doing the giving.



ok i'll have to google TBHQ ETA looked it up. tough job you have there checking up on everything that it seems to be contained in. however, i see your point on that one. i need to do more research on that one. i know most e numbers have been banned or certain companies make a big thing of not using them.

the thing is, i have a love for really good quality belgian chocolates but i am a bit over weight. now, if a friend of mine chose to give me gym membership instead of the chocolates i'd be offended. now if i'd stated that i was on a diet and asked them to monitor and help me by not giving me tempting things then yes, something else suited to me would be great. if it's an ethical thing then there are other choices. however, you still don't have the right to foist your beliefs on someone just because you think a certain way. saying you won't give someone what they would love in favour of something you think they should want is just wrong. i'd rather have nothing at all than someone else's opinion of what i should want pushed on me.

my point is that there are lots of things that you can do/get for someone that is personal to them. your thought put into that is what counts, not your opinion of how they should live their life. when i give a gift i want the person to know that i have thought very much about making them happy. i'm not going to assume that something i would love is what they should love too.

needles

< Message edited by needlesandpins -- 12/6/2011 1:07:45 PM >

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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 12:54:01 PM   
Iamsemisweet


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Again, thanks for the info, but whatever.  I think you are reading WAAAYYY too much into this.  I don't think my guy is good enough for me because I wanted to buy him personal training sessions?  Seriously?  I look at it more as wanting him to be fit and healthy so that we have many years together.  Also, I go to training, so it is something we can do together.  This is important to both of us.  In fact, he gave me hip waders and a camo jacket for my birthday, so that I could go duck hunting with him.  That is something he loves and he wanted to share it with someone he loves, and I took it as such.  I feel the same way about personal training.  Finally, people don't realize how fun and addictive training is until they start to do it, so I actually consider it a pretty thoughtful gift for someone who has all the "stuff" they need. 

In any case, the Jimmy Buffet gift basket is already in progress and  no one on my list is getting junk food.  Feel free to cross me off your gift list if that bothers you.
quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

again you are missing the point. obviously you are choosing the extremes where i'm talking about the everyday person with no major issues.

have you ever thought that if you don't think your guy is good enough just how he is that maybe he's not the one for you? i mean, if you think he should be fitter and healthier to match your standards then what if he chooses to put on weight? will he mean less to you?

i'm not the only one who has said what i have, everyone has said the same thing.

you're choosing to be really anal about what people are trying to tell you. i don't care what you do with the gifts you get, as someone else said, it shows a lack of thought on the givers part. however, what you might want to consider sweetheart is how you feel and think when you get that gift you are binning. that's just how you may be making people feel too, that you don't know them at all and you've made no effort to make the gift personal to them.

within my life i also have an alcoholic, smokers, and diabetics. i'm not going to give them something to help kill them either, just as i wouldn't go out and buy drugs for an addict, but i'll still give them something personal to them instead of foisting what i think they should like on them. not everyone is obese who likes the sweet calorie stuff so if they want it why the hell not?

it's about being personal to them. like i keep saying, it's not about YOU and YOUR wants when you are gifting someone else.

needles


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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 1:08:51 PM   
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If you guys have a history of giving each other things like this, that kinda changes my mind. He gave you hip waders because he wanted you to come with him, so if you give him training sessions in that same spirit, I don't really see it as negative.

I do agree with Kaliko -- gift-giving isn't JUST about giving someone what they want. It's also a way to share part of yourself with them. I wouldn't buy a fur coat for anyone no matter how much money I had or how much they wanted one. I'd find something else.

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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 1:12:24 PM   
LaTigresse


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I am a terrible person.

I gave Generic Dude a box of Peanut Butter Captain Crunch and an 8pack of Hot and Spicy V-8 a few years ago. (other things also but........)

I must repent.




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RE: Christmas gifts - 12/6/2011 1:13:59 PM   
Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins



ok i'll have to google TBHQ ETA looked it up. tough job you have there checking up on everything that it seems to be contained in.



Tell me about it. My daughter hates going shopping with me because I won't buy her half the things her father does. (And her father is a Registered Dietitian. ...but I digress.)

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