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MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 3:41:52 PM)
I think people are making something out of nothing. According to the majority of these online dictionaries: General (20 matching dictionaries) proclivity : Encarta® World English Dictionary, North American Edition [home, info] proclivity : Compact Oxford English Dictionary [home, info] proclivity : Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, 10th Edition [home, info] proclivity : Cambridge International Dictionary of English [home, info] Proclivity : Wiktionary [home, info] proclivity : The Wordsmyth English Dictionary-Thesaurus [home, info] proclivity : The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language [home, info] proclivity : Infoplease Dictionary [home, info] proclivity : Dictionary.com [home, info] proclivity : Online Etymology Dictionary [home, info] proclivity : UltraLingua English Dictionary [home, info] Proclivity : Online Plain Text English Dictionary [home, info] proclivity : Webster's Revised Unabridged, 1913 Edition [home, info] proclivity : Rhymezone [home, info] Proclivity : AllWords.com Multi-Lingual Dictionary [home, info] proclivity : Webster's 1828 Dictionary [home, info] proclivity : Hutchinson's Dictionary of Difficult Words [home, info] Proclivity : Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (1898) [home, info] proclivity : WordNet 1.7 Vocabulary Helper [home, info] proclivity : LookWAYup Translating Dictionary/Thesaurus [home, info] proclivity means: A natural propensity or inclination; predisposition a natural inclination; "he has a proclivity for exaggeration" Here is my reference: http://www.onelook.com/?w=proclivity&ls=a Only three of these dictionaries have stef's definition of the word. Meaning that it is not the sole definition of the word. So wulfchild was correct in his use of it. Just because a word MAY be used in a derogatory fashion, doesn't mean that it IS being used that way just because you can find a definition of it that is derogatory. People need to worry about the wording of their own posts instead of trying to be diction police to others.

BitaTruble -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 3:43:28 PM)
quote: It's the sole definition of the word so there was nothing to pick apart. I disagree with this. The fact that the definition utilizes the word 'especially' rather than 'exclusively' one may choose to take on the negative connotation (which apparently you do) or not to take it on (which apparently Loki does not) so it would behoove one to read the context in which the words were written. In my view, the context was very clear when Loki wrote that T/g etc are accepted at Klashaan. My Oxford desk dictionary doesn't include the added explanation that proclivity is 'especially objectionable' while my Websters does. To me, the word proclivity doesn't automatically mean anything negative, nor by definition does it have to do so. The context Loki used the word in made it pretty clear to the choice he made on viewing how the word was used and I don't think he misspoke or that his intent in using it was insincere in his welcome. Your post gave him a choice between bad and worse in terms of the context of his usage but failed to take into account that he could have simply meant what he said.. T/s etc are welcome in Klashaan, period. Given the context of the paragraph, I don't see any ambiguity to Loki's welcome. Celeste

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 3:44:27 PM)
I'd also point out that wulfchild hasn't been insulting in any of his posts. Just as you felt the need to call him on his choice of words, he is calling in you on your reasons for questioning him and how you chose to do so.

MissZaffy -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 3:47:14 PM)
This post started out as very informative and I have certainly learnt from it. I shall have to reappraise my definitions. But as in life it has descended into arguement and negativity. Miss Zaffy Live and Let Live

BitaTruble -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 3:48:40 PM)
Hells bells.. I was posting at the same time as Mr.D .. just ignore the slave in the corner. ::chuckles:: Celeste

stef -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 5:18:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 I'd also point out that wulfchild hasn't been insulting in any of his posts. On that, we'll have to agree to disagree. quote: Just as you felt the need to call him on his choice of words, he is calling in you on your reasons for questioning him and how you chose to do so. On this as well. BTW, you should try to find an unabridged dictionary. ~stef

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 7:31:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Only three of these dictionaries have stef's definition of the word. Meaning that it is not the sole definition of the word. So wulfchild was correct in his use of it. Just because a word MAY be used in a derogatory fashion, doesn't mean that it IS being used that way just because you can find a definition of it that is derogatory. People need to worry about the wording of their own posts instead of trying to be diction police to others. I didn't say wulf said anything wrong except make observations about Stef with which I disagreed. It is also my opinion that proclivities might be a little insensitive to the TG folks. As for the wording in my own posts, if there's something I type that you don't understand, ask me to explain, and as a courtesy, I would try. Generally though I'm not writing to try and influence you, so you'll forgive me for not much caring about whether or not you enjoy reading my posts. M

PrincessinLatex -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 8:23:14 PM)
Not addressing anyone in particular. . .this is just a general observation: I've never heard the word "proclivity" used in general conversation with a positive connotation. I'm not going to debate semantics. . .just how I hear the word commonly used. It is more common to hear someone say: "I'd rather not discuss your proclivities" (Usually implying some type of deviant behavior) versus "Your proclivity for advanced mathematics sure has me impressed!" I think that a lot of people will argue that a word is a word. . .true enough. . .but some words are loaded with certain connotations. I think this one is. I'll give you an example: "colored" seems like a word that is innocuous enough. I don't think I'd be thrilled to be referred to as colored though. P

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 8:56:38 PM)
quote: I didn't say wulf said anything wrong except make observations about Stef with which I disagreed. Then obviously my post wasn't written with you in mind. I wasn't writting to you directly, it just happened that your post was the last post in the forum, on my screen when I decided to start writting. quote: It is also my opinion that proclivities might be a little insensitive to the TG folks. Since you're not a TG, TS or TV (that I know of or that is evident) then why do you care? Also, who made you their spokesperson or heroine to step in and talk on their behalf? Especially since they're perfectly able to speak for themselves if they didn't like the statement. quote: Generally though I'm not writing to try and influence you, so you'll forgive me for not much caring about whether or not you enjoy reading my posts. Hmm, interesting. Is that why you felt the need to defend your post then? Doesn't matter. I feel the exact same way.

mellian -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 9:06:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Since you're not a TG, TS or TV (that I know of or that is evident) then why do you care? Also, who made you their spokesperson or heroine to step in and talk on their behalf? Especially since they're perfectly able to speak for themselves if they didn't like the statement. That or ignore the person that said it. -mellian

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 9:06:55 PM)
I get it, since you don't approve, and I'm not directly affected, I shouldn't care or respond... Got it! [sm=rolleyes.gif] Dominating me will require more than this, unless you own collarme, LMAO. Nevermind the rest of your post, I've derailed outofhabit's thread enough. M

kitia1 -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/30/2006 11:38:10 PM)
Simple answer to your question Vancouver_cinful. A lot or most of Transsexuals dislike using the Trans box because in almost all circles this box would not accurately describe them in any way, shape or form. It is generally considered to mean Crossdressing, and other related activities and not to relate directly to those who actively seek to transition to the gender opposite to that they were classified at birth, or to those who have already trasitioned to the Gender they wish to be. Equally, technically it is no longer accurate to refer to one who has completed this transition and is now post-operatively in their gender of choice as Transexual at all. Since they no longer suffer from this condition, once the full reassignment has taken place. Personally, i would still tick a box there if it said MtF, because i never intend to hide the fact that i went through this process at a point of my life. It would be wrong both for the Dom i get involved with and for me as a person to try and deny my early life. It has a lot to do with who i am now after all. Back to the OP, again welcome to the boards. Personally, i do not know any other FtM on this site, but then again up until this point it has been more of a learning curve for me. Finding out if i belong here and deciding if i felt safe to start posting more and communicating with people. i do know several FtM off line, who are interested in or actively involved in the scene in the UK where i am based. Like me as MtF, most would think twice about talking openly or listing for reasons others have stated. Good luck in your search and I hope any here feel able to communicate with you, either here or by personal mail. Also any MtF who feels the need to talk feel free to contact me.

keme -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/31/2006 12:35:59 AM)
My pleasure Master

keme -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/31/2006 12:41:26 AM)
yay aren't we all deviants? hummm which the root would be in deviate? which hummm splits from the norm? YAY I am a lifelong deviant giggles and hides

pinkee -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/31/2006 3:29:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy Hello A/all, This thread puzzles me for some reason. I have talked about my tendency to wear green name tags at munches because if somebody wants to know how I identify, I imagine they can simply ask. In a perfect world, a person born as gender X with the wrong plumbing installed, could simply share this with other people and be accepted and loved and respected for who they are. But then we get in to elements of homophobia and discrimination on the basis of a person's sexuality / self identity. Person Y logs in, chats with person X who honestly claims on their profile to be female. Person Y and person X meet up, Person Y discovers the plumbing incompatibility, and immediately gets outraged by person X lying to them about their gender. Person X was not lying. They live their lives as a gender that their chromosomal makeup did not give them. Sure, modify the profiles to allow people to put trans, cd, etc., on it. I dont think it will make the murky waters of human sexuality and/or bdsm any clearer. I dont think it will prevent mistakes and sexual bigotry. My own personal approach, since I only want my own Mr. Tiny in the room when Im having sex, is to ask. Being untruthful (somebody lying and saying they dont have an XY chromosomal makeup and their own Mr. Tiny) with a potential partner is it's own set of issues that have nothing to do with gender configuration. Just me, yadda yadda yadda Sinergy i admit i do not fully understand the intricacies and nuances of A/anyone who, for whatever reason, does not identify with His/her sexual assignment as it appears on T/their birth certificate. i have one friend who is (at least) a cross-dresser, but i don't feel comfortable asking Him personal questions. i'm hoping He will open up the conversation and i can s'how address my ignorance. It's hard for me to imagine anything more central to the ego than O/one's sexual identity. i remember an episode of "Law and Order" in which a very fem cd was being sentenced and would be housed in the men's jail, because she was pre-op. It was a tragic scene. Yes, i think collarme would be improved if another choice (possibly just called "Trans") was added to the screen. However, i realise this might not adequately address the needs of all people with gender identification realities that differ from what is on T/their birth certificates. Since i am admittedly not well-acquainted with this group's needs/wants/desires, perhaps it's not for me to say. pinkee

BrazenBitch -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/31/2006 6:37:22 PM)
well, in your scenario, perhaps Person X was not lying, per se, but they weren't being entirely candid, now were they?

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/31/2006 7:20:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitia1 Simple answer to your question Vancouver_cinful. A lot or most of Transsexuals dislike using the Trans box because in almost all circles this box would not accurately describe them in any way, shape or form. Transgender is the term we were using, not transsexual, but I get your point that people might confuse the two, even though they are not at all interchangeable. I don't see anything wrong with having a box labelled COW. It doesn't mean I have to check it...That was my main point.

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Trans as a Gender on Profiles (5/31/2006 7:24:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitia1 Personally, i would still tick a box there if it said MtF, because i never intend to hide the fact that i went through this process at a point of my life. It would be wrong both for the Dom i get involved with and for me as a person to try and deny my early life. It has a lot to do with who i am now after all. Yes, I agree, I like this option as well. I suppose people will argue that the list can get ridiculously long if we include all thse options...but personally, I see it as a testament to human nature and diversity.

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