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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:19:15 AM   
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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:27:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		How would I get a good watch? I really meant how would no country on the SC veto the sanctions and they ever be approved. If President Bush were a arrested persuant to a properly issued warrant, it would not consitute an act of war nor a sanction worthy action. Common-sense tells us that the Swiss would never do this (when do they do anything controversial), but charges against Bush would be challenging to unhold. The more likely (slightly) hypothetical is an arrest of Cheney, but he's is areful where he travels.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:30:12 AM   
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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:36:47 AM   
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They would take riccola, and swiss miss cocoa off the shelf.

Don't forget Swiss chocolate.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:38:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would think that would only occur if the first two sanctions did not set the Swiss aright and on the holy path.

You are talking close to a casus belli there. 

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:49:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would this be a causus belli? Was the arrest of Pinochet a reason for Argintina to declare war on Spain?
You know what this is all abusrd. Switzerland is not going to do any such thing, we are not going to war with Switzerland if they did and the charges agisnt Bush would probably be dismissed as Cheney lef the much worse paper trail.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 10:50:11 AM   
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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 11:21:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		The original article is the wild fantasy of Reed Brody. A man who's kind of obsessed with his own legal prowess. Look up his record and consider the time we've lived through and how few war criminals he's actually brought to justice considering the bumper crop of the last two decades.
  He has pointed a lot of fingers, I'll give him that, and I'll also give him credit for being correct in most cases. The article is however nonsense.
  The ACTUAL reason that "the Boys" aren't going anymore is because those zany protesters have once again intercepted a schedule of appearances and made sure the folks in the host nation would be there to provide a Warm Welcome... It's as simple as that...Bush is afraid of the repeated Mic Checks in Swiss that would await him everywhere he goes.


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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 11:54:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hold grave doubts that Bush (or his equally culpable sidekick, Cheney)* will ever have to answer the credible war crimes allegations against them in a proper court of law. This saddens me. We should pause a second to examine the opportunity we're missing here.

Regardless of the outcome, arresting an ex-POTUS and bringing him to trial would send the strongest possible, unmistakeable signal to every war criminal, every tin pot dictator or autocrat, every human rights abuser, everywhere that they will be held personally accountable for their crimes; That there is nowhere to hide any more, no office or status or nation beyond the law, no more looking 'the other way' for any one. Doing it once will create a precedent that will last forever.

It's impossible for me to imagine any other single action that will pay a greater dividend in terms of world peace, the universal rule of law, universal justice and human rights for the risks/cost involved.

We all understand that realpolitik dictates that Bush will never be arrested, charged or tried. I feel we should consider profoundly the opportunity we're missing here.

* Blair, Howard (ex-Aussie PM) Wolfowitz, Rumsden and a host of others could easily be added to this list.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 1:09:37 PM   
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They would take riccola, and swiss miss cocoa off the shelf.

Don't forget Swiss chocolate.

Celtic Frost records as well. To Mega Therion was pretty good...

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 1:42:16 PM   
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I hold grave doubts that Bush (or his equally culpable sidekick, Cheney)* will ever have to answer the credible war crimes allegations against them in a proper court of law. This saddens me. We should pause a second to examine the opportunity we're missing here.


Yeah, read the ARTICLE... Ya never needed to harbor grave doubts in the first place... The article points out that Reed Brody and his group were having a hallucination. Given it was Switzerland I suspect Sandoz.



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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 3:42:22 PM   
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How would I get a good watch?

The same way you get a decent cigar, my friend: dodgy importers who will ignore the sanctions and mark the price up something rotten.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 3:43:08 PM   
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I hold grave doubts that Bush (or his equally culpable sidekick, Cheney)* will ever have to answer the credible war crimes allegations against them in a proper court of law. This saddens me. We should pause a second to examine the opportunity we're missing here.

Regardless of the outcome, arresting an ex-POTUS and bringing him to trial would send the strongest possible, unmistakeable signal to every war criminal, every tin pot dictator or autocrat, every human rights abuser, everywhere that they will be held personally accountable for their crimes; That there is nowhere to hide any more, no office or status or nation beyond the law, no more looking 'the other way' for any one. Doing it once will create a precedent that will last forever.

It's impossible for me to imagine any other single action that will pay a greater dividend in terms of world peace, the universal rule of law, universal justice and human rights for the risks/cost involved.

We all understand that realpolitik dictates that Bush will never be arrested, charged or tried. I feel we should consider profoundly the opportunity we're missing here.

* Blair, Howard (ex-Aussie PM) Wolfowitz, Rumsden and a host of others could easily be added to this list.



I dont disagree with you here tweaks but I do have a very big but (With one T) IF the international courts do decide to go after certain of the worlds leaders, the names you mention are small fry in terms of HR abuses.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 3:46:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely, but they'd be a much better demonstration that nobody is immune from prosecution than Jong Il or Ahminidinnajacket, wouldn't they?
(I'd hope that was the point of Tweak's statement, anyway.)

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 3:59:28 PM   
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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 4:02:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because The Man will now be watching to see who refers to this sort of contraband on the internerd when sanctions are placed on Switzerland?
I like the way you think...

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 6:54:27 PM   
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Absolutely, but they'd be a much better demonstration that nobody is immune from prosecution than Jong Il or Ahminidinnajacket, wouldn't they?
(I'd hope that was the point of Tweak's statement, anyway.)


Yeppers, Moonie. Right in one!

The POTUS is generally held to be the most powerful person in the world. If they're not immune from arrest and prosecution for their excesses, then absolutely no one is.

Every one would be accountable under the same international law for their actions. Isn't that what we all want?

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 7:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting premise. However, when have the Swiss ever arrested anyone for anything? If the Swiss did ever take such action, we should invade them and drain their banks.

< Message edited by SoulPiercer -- 12/8/2011 7:05:37 PM >

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 7:16:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I hold grave doubts that Bush (or his equally culpable sidekick, Cheney)* will ever have to answer the credible war crimes allegations against them in a proper court of law. This saddens me. We should pause a second to examine the opportunity we're missing here.

Regardless of the outcome, arresting an ex-POTUS and bringing him to trial would send the strongest possible, unmistakeable signal to every war criminal, every tin pot dictator or autocrat, every human rights abuser, everywhere that they will be held personally accountable for their crimes; That there is nowhere to hide any more, no office or status or nation beyond the law, no more looking 'the other way' for any one. Doing it once will create a precedent that will last forever.

It's impossible for me to imagine any other single action that will pay a greater dividend in terms of world peace, the universal rule of law, universal justice and human rights for the risks/cost involved.

We all understand that realpolitik dictates that Bush will never be arrested, charged or tried. I feel we should consider profoundly the opportunity we're missing here.

* Blair, Howard (ex-Aussie PM) Wolfowitz, Rumsden and a host of others could easily be added to this list.

But we are not some third world country,and an ex American President is not some "tin pot dictator".I agree with you on the theory that no one should be ablove the law,that everyone should be held accountable for their actions....but in the real world we are The United States of America and we will never allow some world court to hold American government officials accountable,far less an ex-President.
We are the country of exceptionalism,we are above the judgements of other less exceptional peoples.Others answer to us...we do not answer to anyone.
Now I am not saying that I agree with any of that....I am just stating fact and reality.Sooner or later we will mature enough as a people and take our rightful place in the world,rather than the place we now hold( in our minds as well as the minds of others) which is to hold ourselves as the moral and physical arbiter or right and wrong answerable to no one and the decider for everyone else.

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RE: If ex-Pres. Bush got arrested in another country, w... - 12/8/2011 7:23:59 PM   
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But we are not some third world country,and an ex American President is not some "tin pot dictator".I agree with you on the theory that no one should be ablove the law,that everyone should be held accountable for their actions....but in the real world we are The United States of America and we will never allow some world court to hold American government officials accountable,far less an ex-President.
We are the country of exceptionalism,we are above the judgements of other less exceptional peoples.Others answer to us...we do not answer to anyone.


Yes Mike ... what you say is perfectly true. That's the real world as it is. I was hoping people might focus on what we are all (US and non-US alike) missing out on here .........

I guess I was just having a "What if .....?" moment - a girl's allowed to dream isn't she?

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