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popeye1250 -> RE: Well done USA! (12/8/2011 5:48:21 PM)
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Well, I'm not "anti-gay" or anything like that but doesn't anyone think that the U.S. is way overstepping it's bounds on this?
Our "reputation" was ruined by us "interfering" in foreign countries; Iraq, Afganistan and a few others. Everyone hates the U.S. now, do you really think something as twisted as this is,....."going to make people like us?" I mean really?
I would like to respond pops, but could you first clarify exactly what is "twisted" about this initiative for me please?
You're assuring me that you're not anti-gay - and I'm happy to take your word for it - so that word is kind of throwing me, confusing me a bit - especially in the context you've located it.
So yes a little clarification please. Thanks.
Tweak, "twisted" is taking the taxpayer's money and using it for social programs in foreign countries. And now, "internationally" which could mean any country.
If that's what you really meant by "twisted", then I hope you can see that it's a really unfortunate choice of words. It's precisely the kind of term used to disparage GLBT people throughout history. By using it, you are running the risk of being seen as a bigot. I'm sure you'd prefer to avoid that.
American efforts are not going to promote "social programs". Nor do I see any extra taxpayer money being spent here:
"Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said: ''We are not talking about cutting aid or tying aid, but we are talking about using all of our tools, including assistance, to translate our principles into action.''
"The memorandum said the US aimed to improve refugee and asylum protections for gay, bisexual and transgender people. It also called for strengthening US efforts to oppose foreign governments criminalising homosexuality, bisexuality or transgender behaviour."*
It surprises me that you decline to view this area as one of human rights. Hilary Clinton, when she launched the program was pretty specific about framing this as a human rights issue, saying:
'Being LGBT does not make you less human, and that is why gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights,'' *
Putting human rights back on the agenda is precisely the type of initiative that will help win back the respect of the world. Surely me starting this thread is a fragment of evidence of that. It will help restore the US to the position of moral leadership that it used to enjoy until Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, torture, extraordinary renditions, the Patriot Act etc. came along. Helping to make real improvements in millions of queer lives around the world is surely a commendable goal in itself.
To me, it's odd that you, as an American, can find fault with that, especially for reasons that appear to be misapprehensions.
* Both quotes are taken from http://www.smh.com.au/world/rights-of-gays-to-figure-in-us-foreign-aid-20111207-1oj4l.html#ixzz1fyCBGOjf
Yes, "twisted." I think most people in the U.S. would agree that this current govt. is fuckin' twisted.
As for "Bigot" I get called that in here frequently by the lefties when they can't argue with me. That's what "bigot" means; "I don't agree with your opinion and I can't win an arguement with you so fuck it, I'll just call you a bigot and run along to the next argument."
That lady (Caitlin Hayden) seems to be referring to "assistance", is that in anyway "foreign aid?"
As for "refugee and Asylum" programs I'd like to see all of them ended. Look at that maid in NYC who almost ended that Frenchman's career! She said the was "raped in her home country." Turns out she was lying. Those programs are LOADED with scams!
Now if there is one area where I really am BIGGOTTED it's against U.S. govt. employees who sit behind desks and make lousey decisions!
Why wasn't that maid vetted completely and rejected? Are they fucking lazy or do they just not care? And that shit is more the norm than the exception. Those idiots will let "anyone" in and when something bad happens it's, "nerver their fault."
We need to tell everyone we're ending those programs and give a list of countries that they can go to instead. "No more U.S." Watch the applications drop exponentially.
And as an American I find fault with many things in this country not the least is something called "moral leadership." Where did *that* term come from?
And as for; "win back the respect of the world?" Do you really think the taxpayers give a fiddler's damn what "the world" thinks? Why would we want them to respect us? Is that a "building bridges to the twentieth century" statement that doesn't mean anything but sounds nice?
Oh sure, "moral leadership", that'd go over big at the American Legion hall on a sat. night!
That all sounds like manipulation to try to get the U.S. to do what foreigners want.
This is a *local law enforcement problem* that needs to be taken care of by those foreign countries, not by the U.S. or any other country.
I support Gay Marriage, ...in this country! Sorry but I just don't *care* what they do in foreign countries and I don't want to give them *one penny* of my tax money.
This kind of thing is going to be another reason why Oblunder gets ejected from the white house in Nov. of next year.
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