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MichMasochist -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (5/29/2006 5:05:50 PM)

Why AAkasha you read my profile.  As well as a few of my posts.   :)

Three key components to a good B.D.S.M. session:  "Number three is mistress' orgasm must happen."  Although the one night stand part would be the downer. 

Now of course in a fantasy world it would be one thing.  Use me for your personal gratification.  This is very much like another one of my teenage years fantasies of being captured, used, and discarded, by the girls athletic team.   College girls track team too,  they used to run by my parents house every year. Reality is a different thing.  I would only service a dominating lady and, or, her sellect lady friends only if  I personally know them.  As in not complete strangers. 

Life is full of risks, diseases, psychos, et all.  After all when you share body fluids with some one you're also sharing with everyone that you and your partner have been with.  So I minimize the risk but I also accept that it is at best a calculated risk.  After all I'm not a hermit living in a shell to afraid to come out.



quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Male subs, what do you think of this scenario:
A woman who you find decently attractive uses you as nothing more than a sexual toy for her pleasure. She wants no emotional connection with you and plans to disgard you, but only after having a good time with you -- perhaps even sharing you with a few of her equally good looking friends.  You are used as an instrument of pleasure and not hurt; however, you don't get to request any pleasure for yourself.

Female subs - Same question?

A group of sorority girls in a college who have to kidnap a popular guy and use him suggestively, sensually and playfully as part of a stunt may have men lining up for the chance.  A group of frat boys looking to do the same might have trouble finding a willing participant.

I'm a femdom who loves to objectify men.  I generally only do it within the context of a relationship, but I'd be interested in exploring it with men who didn't mind no strings attached; however, I think the *fantasy* of it is more appealing to men than the reality of it.  Especially if he finds himself getting emotionally involved.

Akasha





Sinergy -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (5/29/2006 6:10:14 PM)

 
Hello A/all,

I have this lovely women who I adore stretched over my knees and Im paddling her.  She may be tied up.  I might be interrogating her and insisting she explain the timing setting for a 74 Fiat Spyder. 

After that, I might decide to have my way with her in other, more sexual ways, until we sink back exhausted on the bed.

I do not think of my partner as an object.  She is my toy, my partner, my lover, my friend, and...

my submissive :)

Sinergy




slatyb -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (5/29/2006 8:17:28 PM)

quote:

Male subs, what do you think of this scenario:
A woman who you find decently attractive uses you as nothing more than a sexual toy for her pleasure. She wants no emotional connection with you and plans to disgard you, but only after having a good time with you -- perhaps even sharing you with a few of her equally good looking friends.  You are used as an instrument of pleasure and not hurt; however, you don't get to request any pleasure for yourself.


Could be fun. 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (5/30/2006 6:16:15 AM)

I know lots of people on all sides of all the slashes who enjoy the idea of just a hot random fucking.

Fewer people would actually want to experience it.

But it is still true that women are taught to hold their sexuality for ransom and use it as a tool to gain security while men are taught to not value their sexuality at all.

Of course the reality is that you can completely value and praise your sexuality WHILE also having random anonymous sex- or at least I can.





talltxsub -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (5/30/2006 2:47:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

I think the examples you've given are bound to skew the responses. No, I don't want to be used by a bunch of frat boys (please, I have better things to do) but I have had sessions with dominant men knowing full well I was nothing more than a play thing to be used as they saw fit then sent home. No emotional attachment. No strings. No expectations. And it was pretty damn hot. I wouldn't do it with just anyone, but with the right person it can be a mind blowing experience. 


This is an excellent assessment.  Of course it is a generalization, but many men do seem to envy the slutty girl who can give it away to anyone and have them take it.  Being the object of female sexual attention is very arousing.




jezabelKH -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (5/30/2006 3:08:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Male subs, what do you think of this scenario:
A woman who you find decently attractive uses you as nothing more than a sexual toy for her pleasure. She wants no emotional connection with you and plans to disgard you, but only after having a good time with you -- perhaps even sharing you with a few of her equally good looking friends.  You are used as an instrument of pleasure and not hurt; however, you don't get to request any pleasure for yourself.

Female subs - Same question?

A group of sorority girls in a college who have to kidnap a popular guy and use him suggestively, sensually and playfully as part of a stunt may have men lining up for the chance.  A group of frat boys looking to do the same might have trouble finding a willing participant.

I'm a femdom who loves to objectify men.  I generally only do it within the context of a relationship, but I'd be interested in exploring it with men who didn't mind no strings attached; however, I think the *fantasy* of it is more appealing to men than the reality of it.  Especially if he finds himself getting emotionally involved.

Akasha



Akasha,

let me preface this with "when Master alows me to Top boy's or girls".

i have found that submissive and slave boy's are easier to objectify than submissive and slave girls. why is this? because i am female? because there are not enough women willing to Top or Dominate boys? hmmm.....i really don't have an answer but a therory...... in my humble opinion submissive and slave boy's are willing to generally accept any type of attention, for it is better than no attention at all. when i go to the local dungeon, you will find a 3 to one ratio of "un attached" male subs/slaves to every 1 "un attached" female subs/slaves. and on the opposite spectrum you will find a 3 to one ratio of "un attached" Male Masters/Doms/Tops to every one "un attached" Female Mistress/FemDomme/Top. just a personal observation over the last several years of public BDSM dungeons, play parties etc..

So when will the numbers ever match? Don't know......

personal case study1: a boy displeased Master and myself, he was very furry, his punishment was to be shaved from head to toe. so i shaved him from head to toe and ended up with about 2 feet of hair on the floor. the rest of the night he was an object for my sheer amusement. he did not object, actually he rather got excited about it.

personal case study 2: a girl displeased Master and myself and she was a member of O/our house. her punishment was to loose all of her hair on her head. she objected, pleaded for her vanity, the hair came off anyway. the rest of the night she was placed in her usual cage. all we heard all night long was objections. she seemed to have a real hard time mentally handeling the objectification of being chattel.

i guess guys are just built a little tougher than girls, or maybe they are more withdrawn from their vanity and feelings. who knows?

just my personal observation in my little world, where a slaves opinion does not count unless Master says it does.

sincerely,
jezabel {KH}
just simply a slave
Property Of Master Ken




MsIncognito -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (6/6/2006 10:49:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jezabelKH

personal case study1: a boy displeased Master and myself, he was very furry, his punishment was to be shaved from head to toe. so i shaved him from head to toe and ended up with about 2 feet of hair on the floor. the rest of the night he was an object for my sheer amusement. he did not object, actually he rather got excited about it.

personal case study 2: a girl displeased Master and myself and she was a member of O/our house. her punishment was to loose all of her hair on her head. she objected, pleaded for her vanity, the hair came off anyway. the rest of the night she was placed in her usual cage. all we heard all night long was objections. she seemed to have a real hard time mentally handeling the objectification of being chattel.

i guess guys are just built a little tougher than girls, or maybe they are more withdrawn from their vanity and feelings. who knows?



Actually, I think the difference here isn't a male/female thing it's more of a "oops, accidentally 'punished' the male with something he likes - so it's not REAL punishment, just play - and punished the female with something that was a real punishment for her.  If the sub is excited about it then you chose the wrong punishment and all you did was reinforce poor behavior by punishing with something they like. Well done, I'm sure the male will be more than thrilled to play with you again since you're so good at "punishing" him [;)]




Vendaval -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (6/6/2006 12:52:15 PM)

Heh...I have asked the boy about this very topic recently.
He likes being taken out and showed off and wants to be
objectified.  He works out at the gym 5 days a week is proud
of being a body builder.  So I think there is a bit of vanity
in there too!  lol
 
Vendaval




iliv2servher -> RE: Do female and male subs view objectification differently? (6/6/2006 2:29:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jezabelKH


quote:


Akasha,

let me preface this with "when Master alows me to Top boy's or girls".

i have found that submissive and slave boy's are easier to objectify than submissive and slave girls. why is this? because i am female? because there are not enough women willing to Top or Dominate boys? hmmm.....i really don't have an answer but a therory...... in my humble opinion submissive and slave boy's are willing to generally accept any type of attention, for it is better than no attention at all.

...or maybe they are more withdrawn from their vanity and feelings. Who knows?

jezabel {KH}



Yes, and you are quite right.  We don't know.  I am just wondering why you think that males need and appreciate more attention than females, because I've known people of both genders who were very needy. 

But it IS an interesting theory that fem subs and male subs DO look at objectification in different ways.  I would think that this wouldn't be true...and maybe it is for some and not for others.  I think the jury is still out on that one.  It would be nice to hear what other fem subs think about this.

I used to moderate a pony play group years ago.  Now to my way of thinking, pony play (animal role-playing) is mostly about objectification (e.g. placing a human in a lower caste).   I became friends with one pony girl, and I asked her quite candidly if she felt objectified and humiliated.  Her answer was "no" and that she felt very proud to be a pony.  I'm not sure if males and females have a different view of animal role-play and what particular gratification each gets from that experience.  Maybe she always admired horses and didn't consider the role as less than human.





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