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mew -> could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 6:17:58 AM)
fall in love with a slave? If so, how does that affect your ability to dominate, punish etc? If not, how do you view her? Is she just property like the family dog?

RavenMuse -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 7:01:57 AM)
How do you define love? I know many people who love their family pet. Myself for one when I had one, it certainly had a higher priority than a mear 'friend' as one friend found out when he went off on one insulting my dog and saying it should be put down (when the fault had been his own, as he had accidentaly let her out and was pissed because he'd had one hell of a job getting her back in.)He got told to leave, then got escorted to the door.... and still pushed it... till he ended up flat on his back on my front lawn with a broken nose. The dog was family, he was only a friend and I am protective of what is mine! As for a slave, I wouldn't be her master if I didn't care for her. I am Dominant, it is simply the WAY I care and it most certainly doesn't hinder the dynamic in any way shape or form. In fact the deeper the feelings on both sides then the firther I am likely to push my girl on occassion as both she wants/needs to please me and do things FOR me more AND because there is that much more trust in the relationship, things can go that much further whilst she has absolute trust that you would never 'harm' her (Usual proviso for the fact that there is always a slight chance of accidents and no matter how experienced, you are only human, mistakes do happen)

SilverWulf -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 9:51:46 AM)
I could, I would, I did, and more than likely will again. she is My most treasured posession, yet she knows she is completely owned, in every sense of the word. My disappointment alone is enough to crush her. Punishments are few and far between. When I have to administer a punishment, I don't like it one little bit, but do what is needed.

Padriag -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 10:25:30 AM)
Do I love my slaves? Yes, I wouldn't keep them if I didn't. Do I fall romantically in love with my slaves? Sometimes, but not always. Its happened in the past and quite honestly I hope it happens again in the future. How does either affect my ability to punish or discipline? It doesn't. In the first place I don't discipline out of anger or just to be mean. In fact I discipline out of love, I want her to do her best and sometimes that requires discipline. Loving someone doesn't mean letting them do whatever they want. It means you care about them, and sometimes caring about someone means you push them to do what you know is best for them even if they don't like it at the time. How do I view my slaves? As property... human property. But that doesn't preclude loving that property. I take very good care of my property, I treat them well, see to it they are healthy and happy. A good slave is valuable property to me, she represents quite an investment of my time and energy and my treatment of her reflects that. When she has particularly pleased me, I reward her, I punish when her actions make it necessary. Its a relationship, and one I want to be healthy, productive and last a very long time. She's my slave, my property, that's part of how she relates to me. But that neither precludes me from loving her or falling in love with her... and the one does not change the other.

theRose4U -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 10:47:49 AM)
quote: I know many people who love their family pet. Myself for one when I had one, it certainly had a higher priority than a mear 'friend' as one friend found out when he went off on one insulting my dog and saying it should be put down (when the fault had been his own, as he had accidentaly let her out and was pissed because he'd had one hell of a job getting her back in.)He got told to leave, then got escorted to the door.... and still pushed it... till he ended up flat on his back on my front lawn with a broken nose. The dog was family, he was only a friend and I am protective of what is mine! My boys would only be so lucky as to be treated like one of my dogs. Their service to me means service to my dogs as they are my children and as most are rescues can't afford neglect, negative energy or jealousy. As for the quote above woo hoo and hurah. Pretty much the same reaction that I had to someone making nasty comments about a 19 year old foster I had. This poor creature was left tied to the door in a snowstorm and was hours from death especially being older than dirt. He grabbed my heart rather quickly and his short life with me was filled with the best that I could offer. As for the OP I think that love of property human and animal is possible under the right circumstances. But believing that you will rank as high or higher than an animal that in most cases has proven their love and devotion to master or mistress for years is asking a lot. You act as if a dog is a lowly position in the household, in many instances I've seen in D/s it's actually a position higher than any sub or slave, alpha or not. Many subs are expected to serve and care for the pets. I explain upfront that the dogs aren't going anywhere as they've earned their place. The last boy learned the hard way that talk of it's them or me leads to BUH BYE. The mess my ancient dog made daily wasn't pleasant to deal with but killing them because the boy found it inconvenient wasn't going to happen.

juliaoceania -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 12:30:17 PM)
Are you asking about submissives and slaves? You might get a different response if owners of submissives were included in the question.. then again you might not...lol

Estring -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 2:02:27 PM)
I fell in love with and married my slave. I have no trouble in using her or punishing her when needed because as her Master and her husband, that is my job. In my opinion, the fact that I care about her so much makes it easier to do my job.

slaverosebeauty -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 8:03:49 PM)
From this slave's point of view, I would NOT be with a Master that did not love me, ever. I may be property, but love is what ultimatly binds me to Him and keeps me at His side. His love or me is what makes Him so protective of me and what binds Him to me as much as me to Him. Everything is done out of love and with a reason, even if that reason is for His pleasure and enjoyment. Love is the 'ultimate.' If a Master wants a dog and no {real} love; then He can go and adopt one from a local animal shelter.

bandit25 -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 8:11:55 PM)
What she said!

slaverosebeauty -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 8:31:00 PM)
Thank you bandit. :o) Your cookies are on their way.

Lashra -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/29/2006 10:14:30 PM)
I couldn't fall in love with a slave, that is just me. What anyone else does is their business. I would find it to hard to constantly be watching over them, checking up on them and delving out punishment if required. Also I would think of them as property and as a comparision I like my truck, it serves me wonderfully but I don't love it, same would go for the slave. As for the family dogs, I love them as they are my fur kids and no the slave would not be on par with them. I feel if a person desires to be a slave then they should accept the fact that most likely they won't be loved, they will be property that is meant to serve in whatever capacity the Mistress/Master see's fit. I would perhaps hold some affection for a slave but that is as far as it could go with me. ~Lashra

CmotDribbler -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/30/2006 2:47:44 AM)
I love my Kitten through in through. if I didn't, if she was not worthy of my love, why would i want to spend time training and teaching her? I do it because i care and cherish her.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/30/2006 6:54:20 AM)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_354433/mpage_1/key_love%252Clink/tm.htm#354436 Link to 14 threads on "Love and Ds"

sweetsubie -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/30/2006 6:56:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty From this slave's point of view, I would NOT be with a Master that did not love me, ever. I may be property, but love is what ultimatly binds me to Him and keeps me at His side. His love or me is what makes Him so protective of me and what binds Him to me as much as me to Him. Everything is done out of love and with a reason, even if that reason is for His pleasure and enjoyment. Love is the 'ultimate.' i agree, i serve my Master because of how much i care for him and i couldnt possibly care for him in such a manner if he couldnt or didnt feel the same.

EmptyAbyss -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/31/2006 3:49:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty From this slave's point of view, I would NOT be with a Master that did not love me, ever. I may be property, but love is what ultimatly binds me to Him and keeps me at His side. His love or me is what makes Him so protective of me and what binds Him to me as much as me to Him. Everything is done out of love and with a reason, even if that reason is for His pleasure and enjoyment. Love is the 'ultimate.' If a Master wants a dog and no {real} love; then He can go and adopt one from a local animal shelter. I fully agree with this statement. As a Master I could not have a slave that I did not love to some degree.

DesertRat -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/31/2006 4:09:03 PM)
Yes, I could, would, have, am... I view her as my mate, but also as the girl I will own and over whom I will exert power and control. she is more than property, she participates in the relationship. But I make the decisions. Bob

Najakcharmer -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/31/2006 4:17:11 PM)
I could not completely love or feel loved by someone I did not own. Love to me is the awesome committment of total physical trust, the gifts of body and soul given and recieved, desire fierce enough to leave its mark on willing flesh. Romance is the security of real bondage, knowing that you are valued enough to be literally held, and you value your partner enough to restrain him. The gift of dominance is as bright and beautiful as the gift of submission, and as awesome in its scope. To take the responsibility, the burdens of another's life, completely into your hands for a moment so that they can rest - this is true love, to me. To submit one's self utterly into those hands, trusting, is a gift whose worth cannot be measured in this world, and nothing material could ever hope to match it. Those things are in me to the core, and they will be with me forever. Yet I have had partners who did not feel or believe those things, and the result is hurt that runs deep. Intellectually, one can understand that some people are simply different in their languages of love. Emotionally, you feel abandoned, and lost, and very much alone. The blow to your self esteem can be a heavy one - what is wrong with you that your lover does not want you this way, does not trust you enough to give you the gift of himself? The answer is nothing, but you cannot believe. And the hurt goes on, at least until you find someone who does speak your "language of love" in a way that your own heart can understand. Sonnet for Slave Held fast by steel, you know the soft caress This paradox transcendent and rare The hand that closes fiercely in your hair Claiming past consent with strange and savage tenderness Painting passion crimson on your breast Yet says your name as softly as a prayer. I mark your willing flesh to write the things I should not dare And hope you hear what I shall there confess In the leather's kiss, for how can I say "I love you" any other way?

TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/31/2006 8:02:15 PM)
I would not, could not in a box, I could not would not with a fox. I will not eat green eggs and ham, I will not eat them Sam....err...sorry I think that love is inevitable in any relationship that is passionate, intimate, and at all meaningful I think romantic love can be avoided is precautions are taken, though that is sometimes easier for the top than the bottom. Myself, I am not looking for a slave that will love me romantically. I want the kind of love that breeds loyalty, service and submission...and return the kind of love that carries protection, guidance and desire. Powerful and entense, just not very romantic. Taggard

ladyangel -> RE: could you, would you.... (5/31/2006 8:58:10 PM)
I would, could, have...and I love My current boy. I could not develop the intensity in a relationship required of Me, without love. I've seen some mention the different types of "love", and I am fully capable of experiencing all the types. Romantic, M/s, loyalty based, familial, friendship love, etc. I'm not too sure how many different types there really are, I just know these are the types I have experienced. Many of the type overlap most of My relationships. With My slave, I require him to be so many different things for Me and require him to wear so many different "hats", so to speak, that I do believe several of My types of "love" overlap with him, as well. Love, IMHO, is a universal emotion. LA

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: could you, would you.... (6/1/2006 1:09:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring I fell in love with and married my slave. I have no trouble in using her or punishing her when needed because as her Master and her husband, that is my job. In my opinion, the fact that I care about her so much makes it easier to do my job. I hope to fall in love with my slave and say the same some day. M

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