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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 1:32:50 PM   
InvisibleBlack


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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He broke his sworn contract and deserves the penalties his crime entails.

Butch


"Domestic Enemies" of the Constitution include the US Companies who are selling little boys to Afghan Police to be their sex slaves and the US Legislators who support them.

He obeyed his oath.

Or don't you think "Child Sex Traffic" is as important as Terrorism?

And the legal basis for his actions is "The Whistleblower Protection Act" of 1989...


If he was unaware of the Dyncorp actions at the time he released the data, it's pretty tough to use it as a defense of his actions. This why what he knew and didn't know prior to releasing the data becomes important - it goes towards motive.

Also, if a particular piece of information he considered to be part of an illegal cover up by his superiors, that still would not justify his releasing 250,000 documents. Likely, he would be absolved on one count and then convicted on 249,999 counts.

[Edited: Quote snafu.]

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 2:04:50 PM   
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The soviets fought and beat the nazis....doesn`t make them saints.

Sex trafficking aside,if the guy did something illegal and can`t reasonably be called a whistle-blower,he should go to jail.....period.

I would tie the noise myself if he got the death penalty.
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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 2:28:11 PM   
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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 5:12:51 PM   
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Personally, I think they ought to have treason on the charges list, with the death penalty on the table, but it is what it is.


yeh?

Tthe U.S. Constitution defines treason: in Article III, Section 3, Clause 1, “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, (or) in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”   The most recent case decisions involving treason; Cramer v. United States, Haupt v. United States and Kawakita v. United States, all dating back to WWII.


So are you an american rich?  LOL

Why is your dick so hard over this?

the gubafia did comit treason when they changed our government without our permission, 3 times now and counting.

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 12/20/2011 5:13:37 PM >

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 5:17:40 PM   
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Mr. Manning swore to the following..

I, Bradley Manning, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

He broke his sworn contract and deserves the penalties his crime entails.

Butch


Nice one!

Where in the constitution does it say the military or any corporatocracy has any authority deal in slavery?  Sex slavery no less?

No matter how hard I try to stretch my brain I just cant seem to pull that out of it.

You need to go to the supreme court if you want an interpretation that has no support in the constitution.  They will cya!


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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 5:20:06 PM   
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I hope they Danny Deever him.


God, you're a heartless bitch.


I figure that once he is hung by the neck until dead ,he will not have to worry about being in an "awkward place" both "emotionally and psychologically" anymore.

See how compassionate I am!


they murder anyone who rats them out.  after all look who supports it.

I would rather take my chances at a which hunt.


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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 5:22:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I love seeing people come up and stand up for the rights of child molesters to keep their international smuggling operations secret...




agreed!

he is hero of the people who unfortunately will stand by while the gubafia murders a man who in fact stood up for the constitution!


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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 5:25:12 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		How do you or anyone outside of the command structure know what action was planned on the information he leaked? That goes for any of the information he leaked...Hell... information has to be gathered analyzed and transmitted to the appropriate authority for action. Just because information is there does not assign blame to the reporting authority.

You and your like just arbitrarily decided who is to blame without any evidence at all…yea real fair…damn fanatics.

Butch

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 6:08:39 PM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		you mean like murdering more INNOCENT reporters and SELLING AND RAPING more childern?


Yeh that definitely comes under national secrecy!  I mean


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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 6:19:30 PM   
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How about this kiddies?


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Bush releases plans to make a Nuke...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...epage

http://www.capitolhillblue.com....html

http://today.reuters.co.uk/new...Q.XML

This is amazing. From what I heard on the news this morning, all the experts warned not to do this, but the president signed to allow it anyway. Plans to make a nuclear bomb put on the internet...
When the NY Times found out about it, the gov shut down the website.

How F'ed up is this.


LMAO


How about this one?


quote:

Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War
Charles R. Smith
Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2003
Newly declassified documents show that President Bill Clinton personally approved the transfer to China of advanced space technology that can be used for nuclear combat.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAg1r6zw7Bg








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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/20/2011 9:28:35 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Don't dodge...how do you know what the proper authorities were going to do with that or any information?

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/23/2011 4:10:55 AM   
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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/23/2011 4:12:40 AM   
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what he did was a credit to his country,


What he did was a crime and a disgrace.

He will be jailed for a looong time, and hopefully die there as an object lesson to other potential traitors.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/23/2011 4:14:26 AM   
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You are indeed a compassionate heartless bitch.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/23/2011 4:17:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Defending this guy on the basis of accidentally releasing info on Dyncorp is exactly like defending a serial rapist on the basis that one of his victims was a neglectful mother.

Pathetic.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/23/2011 5:12:43 AM   
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And the US Government provides many examples of that justification.



< Message edited by farglebargle -- 12/23/2011 5:13:16 AM >

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/25/2011 10:18:56 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		You just want to defend him because you hate the war, soldiers, Rs, the country, whatever, and this is something to hang your hat on.

I would certainly argue for mercy if the DynCorp stuff was all he released.

But, hell, it was, what, one millionth of one percent, and an accident at that?

Limp.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/25/2011 11:28:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		So if all he released had been the DynCorp material you would argue for mercy?
WTF....I would be demanding a fucking medal
Treason is as off the mark and unwarrented as trying to make a case for him receiving a promotion due to his actions.The man did not commit treason....plain and simple.


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RE: Manning case moving forward - 12/25/2011 9:43:39 PM   
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The man did not commit treason....plain and simple.


You're absolutely right.
Of course, he isn't charged with treason......

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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