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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Click - Boxwine was responding to Awareness. I find it VERY interesting that you relate to day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. (Wink)

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ORIGINAL: Clickofheels

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ORIGINAL: BoxwineForBrunch

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An example of this approach is here:  http://bit.ly/15nQls

This is the Satere Mawe tribe of the Amazon.  This rite involves young men wearing gloves laced with a hundred or so angry bullet ants which secrete an incredibly painful neurotoxin.  To be considered a man, the initiate must wear the gloves for 10 minutes.  After removing them, the pain only increases and it takes 24 hours for the neurotoxin to dissipate.

There's just one catch.  They have to do it 20 times.

Many men in Western societies are soft, indecisive and unfit to lead.  This is why so many women complain about them.  There's a lack of personal ethics, standards and goals which make them a pale shadow of their forebears.  Not everyone has the desire to be a captain of industry, but every man can have a code of ethics, some goals in his life and the stones to accept personal responsibility for outcomes.

oy vey bro, i am going to start reading your posts more carefully from now on because there is some seriously impressive day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. :D

Thank you Boxwine! (Smiles)

Ms Clickofheels

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Oh darn. I just assumed he was responding to her, since she thanked him. It made my morning. Now you snatched away my happies.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Speaking from personal experience only (and I don't profess to generalize beyond that), I encounter many men who self-describe as Dominant, who essentially want to be taken care of by a woman (i.e., they want a whore in the bedroom, and then a mother outside of that). As an educated working professional, I have to say, I find that a little distasteful. Most men in their 30s who say they want a "50s household" type lifestyle, basically mean they don't want to do anything. They forget that in the 50s a man would have still done a lot of work around the house, even if not in the kitchen. As I live in a large city, where yard work and such are not part of my chores, for a man in the city to say he wants a 50s style household really means he doesn't want to do anything.

I do agree with those who say this is an issue for both men and women. I think people need to be raised to be self-sufficient regardless of gender. This means developing some marketable skill, this means knowing how to keep yourself and your home clean, this means being able to grow/shop for groceries, and prepare meals. This also means developing the skills to be a good parent. I really don't care whether one calls oneself submissive or Dominant, or whether one is straight, gay, or bi. Whatever your gender, your role, your orientation, no one should be a baby. Period.

My best relationships have included the following aspects: the man in a sexually Dominant role, the work of day-to-day life split in an equitable manner between the two of us, a shared love of food (completely sharing the responsibility to shop and cook). A man who is unwilling or incapable of even doing simple things around the house is not someone I would want as a life partner. My preference, but I find it increasingly difficult to find men in their 30s/early 40s in this lifestyle who are like that.

In fact, I just recently broke up with a play partner who I decided I was better off without. He is not, and will never be in my mind, partnership material. He is a capable and very successful professional, but otherwise utterly not self-sufficient, including not being able to manage his time outside of work efficiently. This would all be fine if he were 23 and just out of college and still figuring things out. But he is 38. The money he earns does not really compensate for the fact that he needs a mother. I am many things, but I really don't want to play mother to an almost middle-aged man (bedroom antics are one thing, and, of course, I'm happy to play mother to an actual child, but to a grown man???)

Again, this all reflects my wants/needs/experiences.

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Oh darn. I just assumed he was responding to her, since she thanked him. It made my morning. Now you snatched away my happies.

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ORIGINAL: Tell your friend that her need to feel better than others is valid, but should only be exercised in circumstances where it's actually true.

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I dont know what the fuck you just wrote Lady hibiscus. You believe what you want.

Hmmm...have to chime in. The biggest douchebags that I have had to shut off in my 20 plus years of bartending are military dudes. Always. Looking for fights, hitting on other guys girls, cheap as fuck tippers and about as mature as 5th graders. Can't handle their liquor and when they come in in groups it's a horror show. Cocky loud and obnoxious.

Probably the same kind of man that fought over in the Middle East, Vietnam, or WW2. Maybe your Uncle, Grandfather, Brother or Father, nephew. Douchebags? Men ready to sacrifice for people like you who have no clue what its like to serve. The same douchebags that come back with no legs, no arms or with chronic ptsd ? So you are calling the husbands, brothers and fathers of the military douchebags as well? Have you walked a mile in their shoes or just behind that bar ?

20 years of bartending for the military and this is what you take away from that experience? I dont believe you. If it were that horrible as you stay why in hell did you stay under those conditions for 20 years? Really? ... Really?

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Probably the same kind of man that fought over in the Middle East, Vietnam, or WW2. Maybe your Uncle, Grandfather, Brother or Father, nephew. Douchebags? Men ready to sacrifice for people like you who have no clue what its like to serve. The same douchebags that come back with no legs, no arms or with chronic ptsd ? So you are calling the husbands, brothers and fathers of the military douchebags as well? Have you walked a mile in their shoes or just behind that bar ? 20 years of bartending for the military and this is what you take away from that experience? I dont believe you. If it were that horrible as you stay why in hell did you stay under those conditions for 20 years? Really? ... Really?

I'm a veteran and did not take offense to Aynne's words, which you sadly misunderstood.

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Hmmm...have to chime in. The biggest douchebags that I have had to shut off in my 20 plus years of bartending are military dudes. Always. Looking for fights, hitting on other guys girls, cheap as fuck tippers and about as mature as 5th graders. Can't handle their liquor and when they come in in groups it's a horror show. Cocky loud and obnoxious.

Serving in the military is not a free pass for acting like an asshole in public, which is what Aynne is describing. She has a mix of clients, civilian and military, and her experience has been that those more likely to behave badly are military.

I too have seen more boorish behavior in military bars than in civilian.

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ORIGINAL: DBWhiskey

There is an old Jewish truism: A woman is a woman, but a man is a child always.