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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 6:50:22 AM   
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I am sure you can prove these allegations, too

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You may be right but that is always the big question here. BUT that you see...IS the very, very big difference. MSNBC and the like fire people for their lies.

At FOX you are paid to lie and fired if you do NOT lie and follow their script of lies. Ask former reporters, staff and commentators who once worked at FOX.


http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbgh/akrewins.cfm
http://byhelplive.blogspot.com/2010/11/medicalconspiracies-fox-news-reporters.html
http://www.artvilla.com/kuypers/prose/2007/fox-wants2legally-lie.htm
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6621412

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 6:56:38 AM   
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The point being that the graphics people are less ignorant than the hosts, and so those hosts are working from a real minimal baseline that they are unable to overcome.

The graphics guys didn't come in a close second on the lies.  DUCY?

But you see that's just it...I find it as easy or easier to believe that 'FOX' knew exactly what they were doing. Everybody knows that the bankers and wall street want no part of Ron Paul, he wanting to end their blood-sucking tentacles reaching into the US treasury and the federal reserve. I count Murdoch as a neocon and News Corp. as his facilitator/propaganda machine.

I am telling you kinkroids, back in 2008, FOX started to marginalize Ron Paul immediately and then when Obama beat Hillary in Iowa, they started to do the same to McCain. McCain was way to much a risk and Obama soon had his 'talking-to.'

The neocons love the fed, federal banking, the lowest tax rates on capital in 60 years...shall I go on ?


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 7:19:57 AM   
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The Organic Consumers association, and a story about a local Fox TV newscast in Florida?

Blogs?

"democraticunderground"?

You got anything related to Mr Rogers claims, thats legitimate?


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 7:29:47 AM   
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The Organic Consumers association, and a story about a local Fox TV newscast in Florida?

Blogs?

"democraticunderground"?

You got anything related to Mr Rogers claims, thats legitimate?



Are you saying the jury didn't award $400,000 to FOX reporters who refused to lie and were fired for it?
You asked. It's in court records.
You won't find stuff like that on the John Birch Society's website.

I can't help it if conservative media sites are apparently so frightened of FOX that they're afraid to print anything that might be seen as any thing but toeing the party line.

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 7:47:23 AM   
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I am "saying" that mrrogers made some rather sweeping allegations about mountains of grievous conduct and you have almost but not quite established a molehills worth of evidence, coming from dubious sources

If all the organizations and individuals which fanatically monitor FOX News for every mistake were to watch CNN or any other large organization just as closely they would also find issues here or there. Were all human, theres no denying that mistakes are made...

But its only leftists who are fascists about it, isnt it

FOX News drives certain leftists insane for one reason and one reason only, its the only such news organization that doesnt tow the Democrat Party line

It ruins the lefts monopoly on the media

You dont like it tune it out, its no worse than MSNBC or TIME or the New York Times which makes the incessant caterwauling over its existence the very heart of the issue here


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 9:03:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


I am sure you can prove these allegations, too

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You may be right but that is always the big question here. BUT that you see...IS the very, very big difference. MSNBC and the like fire people for their lies.

At FOX you are paid to lie and fired if you do NOT lie and follow their script of lies. Ask former reporters, staff and commentators who once worked at FOX.


http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbgh/akrewins.cfm
http://byhelplive.blogspot.com/2010/11/medicalconspiracies-fox-news-reporters.html
http://www.artvilla.com/kuypers/prose/2007/fox-wants2legally-lie.htm
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6621412


By "prove" he mean a legitimate source.

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 9:08:26 AM   
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Are you saying the jury didn't award $400,000 to FOX reporters who refused to lie and were fired for it?
You asked. It's in court records.




If you are referring to Jane Akre, that was a local Fox Televsion station, not Fox News, and it was the station manager, not anyone higher up in the organization, that was trying to pump up ratings.

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 9:15:39 AM   
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In 1997, Wilson and Akre began work on a story regarding the agricultural biotechnology company Monsanto and recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH), a milk additive that had been approved for use by the Food and Drug Administration but also blamed for a number of health issues. Wilson and Akre planned a four part investigative report on Monsanto's use of rBGH, which prompted Monsanto to write to Roger Ailes, president of Fox News Channel, in an attempt to have the report reviewed for bias and because of the "enormous damage that can be done" as a result of the report.[4]

WTVT did not run the report, and later argued in court that the report was not "breakthrough journalism." Wilson and Akre then claimed that Monsanto's actions constituted the news broadcast telling lies, while WTVT countered that it was looking only for fairness. According to Wilson and Akre, the two rewrote the report over 80 times over the course of 1997, and WTVT decided to exercise "its option to terminate their employment contracts without cause,"[5] and did not renew their contracts in 1998. WTVT later ran a report about Monsanto and rBGH in 1998, and the report included defenses from Monsanto.[4]

Following Wilson and Akre's contract not being renewed, the two filed a lawsuit concerning WTVT's "news distortion" under Florida's whistleblower laws, claiming their termination was retaliation for "resisting WTVT's attempts to distort or suppress the Monsanto recombinant bovine growth hormone story."[6] In a joint statement, Wilson claimed that he and Akre "were repeatedly ordered to go forward and broadcast demonstrably inaccurate and dishonest versions of the story," and "were given those instructions after some very high-level corporate lobbying by Monsanto (the agriculture company that makes the hormone) and also ... by members of Florida’s dairy and grocery industries."[7]

The trial commenced in summer 2000 with a jury dismissing all of the claims brought to trial by Wilson, but siding with one aspect of Akre's complaint, awarding Akre $425000 and agreeing that Akre was a whistleblower because she believed there were violations of the Communications Act of 1934 and because she planned on reporting WTVT to the Federal Communications Commission.
An appeal was filed, and a ruling in February 2003 came down in favor of WTVT, who successfully argued that the FCC policy against falsification was not a "law, rule, or regulation", and so the whistle-blower law did not qualify as the required "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes.[8] ...

Because the FCC's news distortion policy is not a "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes,[8] Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute."[6] The appeal did not address any falsification claims, noting that "as a threshold matter ... Akre failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute," but noted that the lower court ruled against all of Wilson's charges and all of Akre's claims with the exception of the whistleblower claim that was overturned.[6]

The 2003 documentary, The Corporation, featured Wilson and Akre discussing their battle with WTVT, with Wilson claiming that the jury "determined that the story they pressured us to broadcast, the story we resisted telling, was in fact false, distorted, or slanted."[4][9] Project Censored called their story one of the "Most Censored Stories" of 2003,[4] claiming that the "Court Ruled That the Media Can Legally Lie."[10] Robert F. Kennedy Jr. later quoted Wilson in his book, Crimes Against Nature, with Wilson asking "[W]hat reporter is going to challenge a network ... if the station can retaliate by suing the reporter to oblivion the way the courts are letting them do to us?"[11] Wilson and Kennedy both failed to note that Wilson and Akre originally brought the suit.[4] Following the story, Akre and Wilson won the Goldman Environmental Prize for the report,[1] as well as an Ethics in Journalism Award from the Society of Professional Journalists.[12] The two continue to challenge WTVT's license, the last such challenge coming in 2005.[4]

New World Communs. of Tampa, Inc. v. Akre, 866 So. 2d 1231(2003)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 9:46:19 AM   
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same difference, it was the parent company


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 12:02:09 PM   
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No, local FOX TV affiliates arent FOX News

Not even a nice try


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 12:38:33 PM   
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lmao and what have you got to offfer in way of facts
nothing ???
Im shocked shocked I tell you


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 12:56:54 PM   
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No, local FOX TV affiliates arent FOX News

Not even a nice try


LMAO. Total denial, like the bullshit claim that Fox News isnt allowed to broadcast in Canada because they want to lie.

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 1:00:41 PM   
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wilbur it would be better if you actually read what I wrote instead of making an ASS out of U and ME< i realise its too late, but try again
got proof? no
you think your opinion is fact, it aint
They are NOT ALLOWED TO BROADCAST FROM CANADA FOR CANADA
of course proof otherwise will be forthcoming


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 1:02:47 PM   
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I am telling you kinkroids, back in 2008, FOX started to marginalize Ron Paul immediately and then when Obama beat Hillary in Iowa, they started to do the same to McCain. McCain was way to much a risk and Obama soon had his 'talking-to.'

Hang on, McCain was against the machine?
In 2000, he at least talked the talk. In 2008? Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 1:07:59 PM   
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wilbur it would be better if you actually read what I wrote instead of making an ASS out of U and ME< i realise its too late, but try again
got proof? no
you think your opinion is fact, it aint
They are NOT ALLOWED TO BROADCAST FROM CANADA FOR CANADA
of course proof otherwise will be forthcoming




Since when has facts ever stopped willbe from lying?

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 1:15:44 PM   
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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 2:17:10 PM   
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Whether Fox or any other media outlet has a right to tell lies (as the looney Right argues) is one thing.

Why any news media might want to tell lies is another.

The role of the news media is to report the facts not invent them. In this context, FOX-TV's decision not to set up in Canada, citing regulations that insist upon news media there telling the truth as the reason, is telling. It's a tacit admission FOX tells lies, so many lies that it can't operate without doing so.

It leaves the Right in the unfortunate position of arguing that 'our' media (which tacitly admits to telling lies) is "fair and balanced" while "your" media, which hotly denies telling deliberate lies, is "biased". A difficult position to argue, to say the very least.

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 4:01:57 PM   
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Theyre in total blissville man...


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No, local FOX TV affiliates arent FOX News

Not even a nice try


LMAO. Total denial, like the bullshit claim that Fox News isnt allowed to broadcast in Canada because they want to lie.


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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 4:20:03 PM   
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No, local FOX TV affiliates arent FOX News

Not even a nice try


LMAO. Total denial, like the bullshit claim that Fox News isnt allowed to broadcast in Canada because they want to lie.

Actually that is exactly why there isn't a FNC style channel in Canada.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/crtc-ditches-bid-to-allow-fake-news/article1921489/

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RE: Fox & Friends: Fox News' Top Misinformer Of 2011 - 12/23/2011 4:21:55 PM   
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bad tweak!

You should have learned by now that if what you are saying doesnt agree with what they say, then your words are not part of their reality therefore they can ignore you.

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