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Let's make a change - 12/23/2011 4:43:59 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		I want the Rs to change the nominating process.

Why Iowa? Why New Hampshire? Year after dreary year, why do these states have such a stranglehold over the nominating process? Year after dreary year, why does Iowa get to pick losers while killing better candidates?

My unhappiness starts with the fact that our insane food prices are a direct result of politicians having to promise, year after dreary year, to provide ever-increasing subsidies for ethanol, making me pay a heavy price for their "ticket out of Iowa".

This dissatisfaction is multiplied by the possibility of a strong showing by R Paul, who is clearly a less serious candidate than Palin or Trump.

What say you? Rotate it, maybe with different regions represented each election? The South (Georgia, say) in 2016? The mountain West (Colorado, maybe) in 2020?

There's got to be something better than Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/23/2011 9:17:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I want the Rs to change the nominating process.

Why Iowa? Why New Hampshire? Year after dreary year, why do these states have such a stranglehold over the nominating process? Year after dreary year, why does Iowa get to pick losers while killing better candidates?

My unhappiness starts with the fact that our insane food prices are a direct result of politicians having to promise, year after dreary year, to provide ever-increasing subsidies for ethanol, making me pay a heavy price for their "ticket out of Iowa".

This dissatisfaction is multiplied by the possibility of a strong showing by R Paul, who is clearly a less serious candidate than Palin or Trump.

What say you? Rotate it, maybe with different regions represented each election? The South (Georgia, say) in 2016? The mountain West (Colorado, maybe) in 2020?

There's got to be something better than Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.


Its a state law that their caucus will be at least 8 days before any other caucus/primary. The GOP has no direct control over it. It would be interesting if another state passed the same law though...the 2016 caucus in December 2012!

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/23/2011 10:02:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Truckin. If the 2 parties would take control of the schedule and put them on a rotating basis, things might be a lot more equitable.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/23/2011 10:23:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Their are merits to smaller states going first, similar to the balance attempted by the electoral system. It provides them a voice that would otherwise be drowned out by New York, California and Texas. The problem comes when they waste that voice if the winner is someone like Ron Paul, who has no shot of actually winning the nomination.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/23/2011 10:25:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Their are merits to smaller states going first, similar to the balance attempted by the electoral system. It provides them a voice that would otherwise be drowned out by New York, California and Texas. The problem comes when they waste that voice if the winner is someone like Ron Paul, who has no shot of actually winning the nomination.

You better hope hunky and Icky aren't watching.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 1:31:05 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		That's odd that you bring up Ron Paul.
As I've mentioned in here a few times now I've noticed more signs for him here in S. Carolina than all the other candidates combined!
And S. Carolina is the next big primary state after New Hampshire.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:05:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The GOP is in enough trouble as it is, a midwestern moderate first off is the best thing you could wish for.

Put the current and future crops of teabagging clowns down stumping for votes in say Arizona or some other whacky ass place, and the first impression is only going to get worse than the overall impression these boys of derring do are instilling in us now.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:40:12 PM   
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You better hope hunky and Icky aren't watching.


They got tired of wasting their time here. If you want I could forward you some news about a new Raytheon patent.

T^T

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:41:48 PM   
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As I've mentioned in here a few times now I've noticed more signs for him here in S. Carolina than all the other candidates combined!


He could beat the other candidates, but he can't beat election fraud, especially if it's bipartisan. It would be as he would be seen as a common enemy.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:43:26 PM   
Termyn8or


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The GOP is in enough trouble as it is,


I don't think so. I think you may be underestimating the stupidity of the voters.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:47:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Their are merits to smaller states going first, similar to the balance attempted by the electoral system. It provides them a voice that would otherwise be drowned out by New York, California and Texas.


Part of the problem is that early primaries = money.  The early primary states get campaign spending dollars, retinue hotel, etc., dollars, and revenue from the media presence.  And, as truckinslave stated, it ensures support for corn ethanol as well.  NH and Iowa ain't gonna give that up without a fight.

How about having a random number generator assign states' primary weeks, and the sequence changes every four years?


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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:47:35 PM   
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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 2:51:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Their are merits to smaller states going first, similar to the balance attempted by the electoral system. It provides them a voice that would otherwise be drowned out by New York, California and Texas. The problem comes when they waste that voice if the winner is someone like Ron Paul, who has no shot of actually winning the nomination.

Yeah the majoprity of voters should have no say in who the party nominees are. What do you think this is a republic or something?

Changing to some sort of rotating regional primary seems likely to result in more peoples votes actually mattering. The same can be said for the national popular vote for POTUS compact which is building momentum.

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 6:01:01 PM   
Fellow


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This dissatisfaction is multiplied by the possibility of a strong showing by R Paul, who is clearly a less serious candidate than Palin or Trump

This is absurd statement. Who are Palin and Trump? How many years Paul has served (as an elected representative) in the Congress?

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RE: Let's make a change - 12/24/2011 6:59:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I want the Rs to change the nominating process.

Why Iowa? Why New Hampshire? Year after dreary year, why do these states have such a stranglehold over the nominating process? Year after dreary year, why does Iowa get to pick losers while killing better candidates?

My unhappiness starts with the fact that our insane food prices are a direct result of politicians having to promise, year after dreary year, to provide ever-increasing subsidies for ethanol, making me pay a heavy price for their "ticket out of Iowa".

This dissatisfaction is multiplied by the possibility of a strong showing by R Paul, who is clearly a less serious candidate than Palin or Trump.

What say you? Rotate it, maybe with different regions represented each election? The South (Georgia, say) in 2016? The mountain West (Colorado, maybe) in 2020?

There's got to be something better than Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.


try 100%++ inflation over 10 years.


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RE: Let's make a change - 12/25/2011 10:12:59 AM   
truckinslave


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How many years Paul has served (as an elected representative) in the Congress?


Thats a point, but you fail to consider his district.

NancyFran has, arguably, the safest seat in the House, and has for years, but she would probably lose 50 states against anyone but Ron Paul in a national election.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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