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Moonhead -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 12:36:39 PM)
The only people saying that are Bibi and his bitches, and they'd still be saying that if the Dims had elected Woody Allen...

popeye1250 -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 1:09:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 is there any doubt even blowing in the wind that the bigot Obama is an anti-semitic and anti-Israel? Um, yes, there is. He's not as strongly pro-Israel perhaps as others, but he did visit Israel even before he was elected. And I have NEVER heard him called anti-Semitic. Steven, Hitler fancied himself an "artist," he visited France before he was "elected" too. Obama wants to shrink Israel down from the size of New Jersey to the size of Delaware! "To pre-war 1967 borders!" And I HAVE heard him called an anti-Semitic by my neighbor from New Jersey Mr Bre...r. Now does he count or does one have to be a "columnist" to have an opinion? I wonder what Benjamin Netanyahu thinks about him after the way he was treated at his white house visit? No dinner, no drinks, kept waiting for two hours, "lectured" by the "Nobel Peace prize winner" for five minutes and pushed out the back door? Not even offered a chair.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 1:47:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 is there any doubt even blowing in the wind that the bigot Obama is an anti-semitic and anti-Israel? Um, yes, there is. He's not as strongly pro-Israel perhaps as others, but he did visit Israel even before he was elected. And I have NEVER heard him called anti-Semitic. Steven, Hitler fancied himself an "artist," he visited France before he was "elected" too. Obama wants to shrink Israel down from the size of New Jersey to the size of Delaware! "To pre-war 1967 borders!" And I HAVE heard him called an anti-Semitic by my neighbor from New Jersey Mr Bre...r. Now does he count or does one have to be a "columnist" to have an opinion? I wonder what Benjamin Netanyahu thinks about him after the way he was treated at his white house visit? No dinner, no drinks, kept waiting for two hours, "lectured" by the "Nobel Peace prize winner" for five minutes and pushed out the back door? Not even offered a chair. I wouldnt call him anti-Semitic. Just a shitty representative of the US. His philosophy is "Keep your enemies near, and fuck your friends." As far as RP goes, he gets no love because he's not a conservative...he's a libertarian...and there are far fewer of those than conservatives. His anarcho-capitalism doesnt work in the real world, stuck in 50s economic theory. His apologists try to spin him as "non-interventionist" which may be true foreign policy wise, but economically hes closer to an isolationist. But most importantly, he's never shown an ability to build consensus and act as a leader, not just a naysayer.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 3:32:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven We all know that Mitt is the candidate that looks Presidential, keeps a solid position in the polls - and the Republicans don't like. But what's the story with Ron Paul? The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day. He's also shown solid fundraising strength. So why won't the GOP show this guy any love? The GOP hates him, because most of them are neocons, which is a group of people that view everything through the prism of war and force. I think it's psychological damage brought on from decades of the Cold War, and a large group of mostly 50 years and older geriatrics still live in that world. They will be dying off slowly but surely, they've already lost the GOP of the future, the percentages flip in the younger crowd. So, maybe they can stop the inevitable change that is coming for another election cycle or two, but the neo-cons are literally a dying breed. So, short answer, they have mental issues, and obsess on violent solutions at every turn.

outhere69 -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 4:10:00 PM)
FR: Paul is called racist due to remarks made in some of his newsletters, back in the '80s, like the following (source is The Weekly Standard): quote: Though particular articles rarely carried a byline, the vast majority were written in the first person, while the title of the newsletter, in its various iterations, always featured Paul’s name: Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, the Ron Paul Political Report, the Ron Paul Survival Report, and the Ron Paul Investment Letter. What I found was unpleasant. “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks,” read a typical article from the June 1992 “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism,” a supplement to the Ron Paul Political Report. Racial apocalypse was the most persistent theme of the newsletters; a 1990 issue warned of “The Coming Race War,” and an article the following year about disturbances in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., was entitled “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” had also “seduced underage girls and boys.” The man who would later proclaim King a “hero” attacked Ronald Reagan for signing legislation creating the federal holiday in his name, complaining, “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.” He's also famous for conspiracy theories, for example: quote: In a March 2009 interview, Paul entertained Jones’s claim that NORTHCOM, the U.S. military’s combatant command for North America, is “taking over” the country. “The average member of Congress probably isn’t a participant in the grand conspiracy,” Paul reassured the fevered host, essentially acknowledging that such a conspiracy exists. “We need to take out the CIA."

Real0ne -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 4:37:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven We all know that Mitt is the candidate that looks Presidential, keeps a solid position in the polls - and the Republicans don't like. But what's the story with Ron Paul? The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day. He's also shown solid fundraising strength. So why won't the GOP show this guy any love? dood because he wants to revamp the monetary system, starting by disabling the crooked way of the Federal reserve, Irs and banking. what republitard wants that?

erieangel -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 4:38:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven We all know that Mitt is the candidate that looks Presidential, keeps a solid position in the polls - and the Republicans don't like. But what's the story with Ron Paul? The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day. He's also shown solid fundraising strength. So why won't the GOP show this guy any love? Short answer? Because while a few of Paul's arguments make sense, he is basically a nut case. Nuttier even than the rest of the nut cases in the GOP field and that is saying something.

Real0ne -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 4:39:05 PM)
yeh and so does ex governor jessie ventura, representative mckinney and a host of others.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 4:56:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh, I dunno. Could it be that he's a nutcase racist, anti-Semite, isolationist moron? Isolationist moron? Globalists are the morons. So what if he is an isolationist? Maybe he's tired of seeing the United States lose jobs to China and India. Maybe he thinks money from US Taxpayers should stay in the US instead of being spent on foreign aid and policing the world.

blacksword404 -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 5:12:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven We all know that Mitt is the candidate that looks Presidential, keeps a solid position in the polls - and the Republicans don't like. But what's the story with Ron Paul? The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day. He's also shown solid fundraising strength. So why won't the GOP show this guy any love? He would actually change things. Not just give it lip service. He isn't one of the insiders. About 10% of his positions are wierd as hell. Especially foreign policy. But with congress keeping an eye on his foreign policy I think it could work. But that would take a congress with the balls to stand up to a president. We haven't had a congress like that since the clinton administration.

Politesub53 -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 5:19:58 PM)
Hey Mnot...... I thought the thread said "what is it about Ron ? Paul." [;)]

Lucylastic -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 5:20:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh, I dunno. Could it be that he's a nutcase racist, anti-Semite, isolationist moron? Isolationist moron? Globalists are the morons. So what if he is an isolationist? Maybe he's tired of seeing the United States lose jobs to China and India. Maybe he thinks money from US Taxpayers should stay in the US instead of being spent on foreign aid and policing the world. The history of globalisation by the USA isnt something you can just ignore because business moves out. you have deals, trade, financial, resources, etc etc with some pretty strict rules... to break those contracts, deals and promises would be even worse for the US In EVERY aspect. You cant just pick and choose, there there is more than one country involved without losing more than just a deal. The consequences would be catastrophic for the US. Isolationism, is a bandaid on a split artery and a simple WRONG way out of a world depression. The business that dump workers in the US< canada etc etc to buy slaves overseas are the problem not the actual trade deals.

Termyn8or -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 7:10:13 PM)
FR WHY THE FUCK DOES THE SECURITY OF ISRAEL HAVE A GODDAMN THING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE US WHEN APPARENTLY THE WELL BEING OF THE US DOES NOT ? And the capslock wasn't on, I made the effort to hold the shift key down ! T^T

DarkSteven -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 7:20:19 PM)
I appreciate the insight that folks gave me, especially the Republican-inclined.

tazzygirl -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 8:19:25 PM)
quote: But that would take a congress with the balls to stand up to a president. We haven't had a congress like that since the clinton administration. No offence, but thats funny!

popeye1250 -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 9:40:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I appreciate the insight that folks gave me, especially the Republican-inclined. Steven, what's the name of that church Obama goes to for 25 years now,....West,.....Baptist? The one that has that racist, bigoted, crazy "minister" there?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 9:46:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh, I dunno. Could it be that he's a nutcase racist, anti-Semite, isolationist moron? Seriously, DS, check out his old newsletters, as well as his current foreign affairs positions. Then there's the gold standard insanity. Crazy shit ain't it? Wanting money to be backed by something tangible, meaningful and a thing that has been deemed "currency" throughout millenia....yeah fuck it...let's just keep on with that whole "Let 'er rip!!!" as to the printing presses.....yeah, that's the ticket.

Owner59 -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 9:54:49 PM)
Hmmmmm........ going back to the gold standard..........about as probable as going back to prohibition. .

LookieNoNookie -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 9:57:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: anti-semitic and anti-Israel He probably is anti Israel, but I doubt he's anti Semitic. T^T Actually, he's pro Israel...he just thinks they should (and can) manage their own affairs....and suggests that they do, without our interference or money. I'll never, frankly, understand why we need to be in so many countries with our military bases. Imagine Germany, or Russia having bases in Pittsburgh, Toronto, the UK, Turkey, Mexico ad infinitum. What would the U.S. say about that? Oh man....you can imagine we'd say "NO" with as many bullets as we could manufacture. Bush II told Israel they couldn't bomb the Palestinians....3 weeks after we bombed Bagdad. Who the hell are we to tell any sovereign govt. what they can do, when and/or where? We spend more on military that the next nearest 53 world governments. If we didn't want them here....they wouldn't get here, but we spend so damn much time everywhere else....Ron Paul is right....they're here because we're there. That argument can't even honestly be debated because....we're there. We need to remove all bases from every country, quit handing money, as so many (not just Paul) others have said....to "People and governments that are clearly, not only not our friends...but in fact, avowed enemies". Let those fuckers blow themselves up and if someone HONESTLY asks for our help.....offer it up readily. Until then, build a fence, spend money on better tracking with satellites, and put our carriers running up and down our coasts...and stay the hell out of everyone else's concerns. That's what I think (regardless of whether it's Paul's treatise or no one else's at all).

ClassIsInSession -> RE: What is it about Ron Paul? (12/25/2011 9:59:32 PM)
The idea that trade deals are good neglects the fact that having read them, they also subvert a great deal of our sovereignty to the United Nations. Trading with other nations should not be subsidized by the taxpayer, as it is with China and several other nations. Ron Paul is always called a nut case, but then it's by people who think we can go on printing fiat money forever and live on credit. Sorry to say, history has proven repeatedly that fiat currency systems do not last. As to his ideology being stuck in the 50's, I couldn't disagree more. Gravity was first talked about by Newton, the law still applies. Keynesian economic principles were created by a socialist who deplored capitalism, most don't know that. These principles create the booms and bust in our economic cycle and when exploited by crony capitalists (the good ole boys that look out for their own that everyone else pretty much hates) leads to legislation rigging the game so that the principles of liberty and of everyone having a shot at creating wealth through hard work and ingenuity are unreachable by the vast majority. To say he isn't able to build consensus ignores the fact that he was instrumental in delivering a partial audit of the Federal Reserve, which revealed that our TARP bailout funds didn't just service banks but also a solid number of Fortune 500 companies as well as foreign banks all on the tax payers back. Considering how shrouded in secrecy the inner working of the Federal Reserve has always been, this was no small victory even if it was not a complete audit.

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