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TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/25/2011 6:55:48 PM   
Hippiekinkster


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Status: offline 		Jonathan Haidt gives an excellent talk on the moral/psychological underpinnings of conservative and progressive worldviews.
http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

I tend to agree with his thesis; having said that, I haven't really analyzed it.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/25/2011 7:17:56 PM   
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Fascinating... something for everybody. I hope people take the time to watch it.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/25/2011 8:22:59 PM   
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Fascinating... something for everybody. I hope people take the time to watch it.

K.

Glad you found it interesting. The underlying message that I get is "walk a mile in another's moccasins". Doing so, of course, requires empathy, and there are those who are sorely lacking in that quality.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 10:05:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Haidt, in an essay in Reason magazine, wrote about how his ideas apploed to the protestors in Zucotti Park;

"Will this message catch on with the rest of the country, much of which also values the loyalty, authority, and sanctity foundations? If OWS engages in acts of violence, flag desecration, destruction of private property, or anything else that makes them seem subversive or anti-American, then I think most Americans will quickly reject them. Furthermore, if the protesters continue to focus on the gross inequality of outcomes in America, they will get nowhere. There is no equality foundation. Fairness means proportionality, and if Americans generally think that the rich got rich by working harder or by providing goods and services that were valued in a free market, then they won’t be angry, and they won’t support redistributionist policies. But if the OWS protesters can better articulate their case that the “1 percent” got its riches by cheating, rather than by providing something valuable, or that the 1 percent abuses its power and oppresses the 99 percent, then Occupy Wall Street will find itself standing on a very secure pair of moral foundations.."

He's right, I think. Some little soi-disant "anarchist" who was in Oakland wrote an essay about OWS and anarchism on Daily Kos. His "theories" were fairly quickly debunked in the comments section, and he lapsed into (relative) incoherence.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 11:47:18 AM   
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My only wish is that people who need to understand will actually watch.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 12:50:22 PM   
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Very Interesting Hipppy, Not that a lot of it surprises me,
My only wish is that people who need to understand will actually watch.
Yeah, well, if wishes were horses...
I mean, really, why would anyone waste time watching a talk by someone who is at the forefront of his field of research, the understanding and evaluation of which requires critical thinking skills, when they can just post about some dumbassed shit that the President supposedly said?

At least we aren't plagued anymore by 40 threads a day about something some headcase read on PwisonPwanet.


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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 1:22:09 PM   
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At least we aren't plagued anymore by 40 threads a day about something some headcase read on PwisonPwanet.


SHUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. If you mention him 3 times.....................

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 1:58:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he is full of generalizations that don't match anyone I know...certainly not me. I think it dangerous to try and pigeon hole people into liberal or conservative by what they eat and where they like to vacation. Otherwise bull crap.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 4:35:48 PM   
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I think he is full of generalizations that don't match anyone I know...certainly not me. I think it dangerous to try and pigeon hole people into liberal or conservative by what they eat and where they like to vacation. Otherwise bull crap.

Butch
So I gather that you think PRIZM is predictively no better than chicken entrails, eh? Bless your heart.


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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 4:46:00 PM   
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I think he is full of generalizations that don't match anyone I know...certainly not me. I think it dangerous to try and pigeon hole people into liberal or conservative by what they eat and where they like to vacation. Otherwise bull crap.

Butch

I am tending to agree. I am both liberal and conservative.

You all know by now that I am no spring chicken so I have been following right and left for some time. Both side's arguments and goals (morality) have been distorted by radicals skewing the debate. Too often this is aided by the rare radical changes in national, political and economic policies and conditions.

However, in any learned, objective debate, I don't see any difference in moral roots whatever they are. Constructing a reasonably safe, productive, civil society, government and to its local level, at the consent of the governed is I think a (our) singular moral 'root' if one could call it that.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/26/2011 10:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hadn't seen that Haight talk in awhile, thanks, I'd forgotten about it.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/27/2011 11:58:21 AM   
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MrRodgers you said it much better and with elegance than I. I get too frustrated when I see or hear political hyperbole disguised as consumer research.

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RE: TED: The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives - 12/28/2011 11:57:15 PM   
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MrRodgers you said it much better and with elegance than I. I get too frustrated when I see or hear political hyperbole disguised as consumer research.

Butch
You completely missed the point of not only Haidt's talk, but also my reference to PRIZM. I note that that is something you do quite a bit; you hear, but you don't listen. Just like when people tried to tell you that there are genetic predispositions to drug (heroin, specifically) use.
The 2008 film, "Die Welle", revolves around exactly the point Heidt makes regarding belonging (http://tv.blinkx.com/movie/die-welle/RFMSEcRDaAoTdzUz), and the organizing strategies open and closed individuals utilize to develop the communities which best reflect their internal moral anchors.

From what I can tell, you completely missed the point of the research.

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