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Need some guidance - 12/27/2011 8:31:16 PM   
Baron89


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Hey everyone,

I am still young in the BDSM since and have a lot theory so to speak but not much practical expierence. I've never actually been in a full time D/s relationship but really REALLY want to one. I want to know how is the best way to find and attract a sub. I have messaged a lot of women on here but for one reason or another it has been for bust. So please some guidance would be nice.

Regards,

B
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RE: Need some guidance - 12/27/2011 8:44:03 PM   
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I already answered in Ask a Master, but just in case that thread gets deleted for double-posting(a no no), I will copy & paste it here:

The best way is to approach the woman as....a woman first....and as a sub second. No matter which side of the slash they are on, women are still women & like to be approached first as people who happen to be female. That means not necessarily getting into the kinky talk right away but about the getting-to-know-you vanilla talk first and then get into the kinky stuff after you find out you and she click vanilla-wise first. When I was sub, that's how I felt and, now that I'm a Domme, I still feel the same way.

One thing to NOT do is approach her with the old "On your knees bitch now" routine. That will turn her off faster than anything else. Something that really makes an impression is to actually read their profiles and make mention of some things IN their profiles that you have in common. It's a good conversation starter. Women like when guys actually do read their whole profiles and can talk about what's in them.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/27/2011 9:21:53 PM   
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You live in Florida.  There's a lotta kink activity there.  I'd suggest doing a quick Google on "BDSM yourcity". 

You might have some issues because of your age.  If so, look for a TNG group (ages 18-35) close to you.

Sorry to say, but messaging people online isn't tremendously effective.


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RE: Need some guidance - 12/28/2011 5:05:59 AM   
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Spellcheck your profile, put in paragraphs, find a photo where your eyes aren't dimeslits making you look high as a kite


Oh yea, and subs, they like cock shots in the first message-see what kinda man you are :-)


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RE: Need some guidance - 12/28/2011 5:07:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Spellcheck your profile, put in paragraphs, find a photo where your eyes aren't dimeslits making you look high as a kite


Oh yea, and subs, they like cock shots in the first message-see what kinda man you are :-)



Your an evil, evil, man, but you knew that already, right?

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/28/2011 5:28:19 AM   
Kana


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quote:

ORIGINAL: seababy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Spellcheck your profile, put in paragraphs, find a photo where your eyes aren't dimeslits making you look high as a kite


Oh yea, and subs, they like cock shots in the first message-see what kinda man you are :-)



Your an evil, evil, man, but you knew that already, right?


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But, but, ya gotta admit I spoke nothing but sooth-It will tell the ladies EXACTLY what kind of man he is :-)


Notes that kana's profile does come with an explicit warning label re his evil nature


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RE: Need some guidance - 12/28/2011 5:51:54 AM   
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OP, younger male dominants always have a bit of an uphill battle so, first things first, get used to that. No, it's not fair, but it's how things are. The older dudes will be asserting to everyone (especially the fresh meat in your age group) that they have more experience, are safer, more sane, and have a better handle on being Dominant. Maybe some do, but just as many don't, and just fall back on their age.

But if you get out in in-person groups, meet people, let them see/feel/hear you in person, make connections, etc, you will have a better chace at things, I think. Look for a TNG group in your area - those are for people 18 (or 19, dependinng) - 30 (sometimes 30+), who are more interested in being involved with those their own age.

You have to approach each woman as an individual, and realize there is a differece between being able to rattle off answers to BDSM topics "in theory" and experience in your daily life. If you go around attempting to use theoretical knowledge in such a way, it'll usually become obvious. Instead, just be honest about being new, and having little experiece, but just get out there anyway. What does get a lot of subs is confidence, so if you lack it, work on building it up.

The reason I'm saying that is because your profile reads as if you're trying to convince people that your ginormous theoretical knowledge bank is enough, and for some it won't be. That's just how it is. Plus, if you talk a big game, but can't. Back it up, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

Go to demos, go to socials, join local groups on fetlife or wherever they are ad network, make connections. Let your personality come through, and heck, maybe even come up with hilarious comebacks if some guy tries to rib you for your age. :p

Note: some chicks are just into older guys. Just how it is - like you have preferences, they have preferences. So it's not all about massive misinformation campaigns. :p but there are chicks who can be far more interested in your personality than your age, plus it's less likely that you'll be set in your ways, and you might be more likely to learn or try something new, which many women find attractive. So really, just be honest, be yourself, develop your brand and own that.

When you're contacting chicks here, read their profiles, and really find something that's interestig annd jumps out at you. Most girls here really cann tell if it's a copy-pasta'd message, or if you havenn't really read the profile. Don't write boatloads of generic messages, write a few that come from a genuine level of interest.


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RE: Need some guidance - 12/28/2011 6:31:15 AM   
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It doesn't say a whole lot for your case when you don't listen to the advice we already gave you, dude.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/29/2011 2:43:25 PM   
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Get yourself a Camaro, everybody knows that all worthwhile Dominant men drive Camaros. And no, none of your nancyboy Firebirds or Corvettes either.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/29/2011 3:35:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana



Oh yea, and subs, they like cock shots in the first message-see what kinda man you are :-)




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RE: Need some guidance - 12/29/2011 3:36:40 PM   
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Let's face it. Women far outnumber men on most dating sites, including CM. This means that in order to hook a sub, you're going to need to put in a good deal of effort.

First off, if I were looking, I'd skim right over your profile and ignore it. Why? Because its filled with a lot of generic detail, none of which seems unique to you. Honestly, your profile makes you appear identical to hundreds of other dominants on here. Nothing makes you stand out as an interesting person or even an individual. You'll want to include tid-bits about yourself that will spark a potential sub's interest and make her want to know more. What are your vanilla interests? What kind of dynamic, specifically, are you looking for? What are you, specifically, seeking to avoid? All this will help flesh out your profile and give me an impression of you as a real-live person, rather than picture on a screen. It may also intrigue me enough to send you a message.

Secondly, like others have said, don't send generic messages. Read a sub's profile before messaging her, make sure you are compatible on the most basic levels, and include in your message some info to prove you read her profile. Don't use any one liners. Don't demand that she get on her knees immediately to serve you. The women on the site can get up to a hundred messages a day. One liners get deleted.

Finally, use proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation. With so many options out there, a sub needs some method to narrow down her choices. If I were looking, I'd eliminate anyone with a penis/nude pic and anyone with poor grammar asap. Would I potentially pass over a great guy as a result? Maybe, but who the hell cares, there are plenty of fish in the sea! Right now, your profile has a LOT of grammatical errors, particularly in the comma and run-on sentence department. Fix that.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/29/2011 3:40:47 PM   
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I think the main thing you have to remember is that you must have plenty of patience if you genuinely want a D/s relationship. I learned that the hard way, but it's definitely worth the wait when you find the right one. Good luck.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/29/2011 11:53:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SixMore2Go

Get yourself a Camaro, everybody knows that all worthwhile Dominant men drive Camaros. And no, none of your nancyboy Firebirds or Corvettes either.



Good plan! http://youtu.be/1v3CzvQ9e_w

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/30/2011 12:01:14 AM   
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No matter the situation, having a Camaro can never hurt things. As a worst case scenario she cannot stand you having one...you can just sell it and buy 2 smart cars, and you'll have enough left over to keep you in beer for a few months.

'Tis a win/win. there is no downside

Buy a Camaro boy.


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RE: Need some guidance - 12/30/2011 1:10:50 AM   
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You might try a local munch to learn from more experienced Dom/mes. Munches aren't usually for dating but to meet people in the area. Often there are wonderful people who are willing to share their knowledge.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/30/2011 5:02:07 AM   
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With women...it's a numbers game....keep going until you get a hit. And yes...that could take a while.

There's really no secret...just be yourself...the right sub will like you for you and click with you and there you go....you're on your way.

Just send out a ton of messages....seriously. You have nothing to lose.

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RE: Need some guidance - 12/30/2011 5:12:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baron89

Hey everyone,

I am still young in the BDSM since and have a lot theory so to speak but not much practical expierence. I've never actually been in a full time D/s relationship but really REALLY want to one. I want to know how is the best way to find and attract a sub. I have messaged a lot of women on here but for one reason or another it has been for bust. So please some guidance would be nice.

Regards,

B


You have had some great advice, I have been a member of BDSM under 35 groups since I was 18 so I know some issues around age. Best way, is as someone said, get out and meet people go to different events and you will find people your age. On websites, do not under estimate the power of the forums, talk on here get to know people. It always helps me when I go to different places, there will always be at least one person who knows me from my rambling online.

Also yes, relationships develop organically, meet someone you like rather than someone who you think will fulfill a fantasy which may well be not at all what you need in real life. It is very much a learning curve. Good luck.


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RE: Need some guidance - 1/1/2012 12:02:40 AM   
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Some good advice from others.. But my own advice is.. Just be yourself, and be true to yourself. While I do not see anything wrong with your seeking advice per se, my initial reaction was "Okay, this guy wants to be the man that every woman dreams about finding so they'll throw themselves at him." It just doesn't work like that. One woman's "perfect man" is another woman's "perfect wanker."

So your best bet is just be who and what you are, and keep searching until you find that one special woman who thinks you're everything she wants but has also discovered the frustration of browsing millions of profiles without any success--or worse, finding many men who seem to be what she wanted, but turned out to be guys who were anything but. They were just fakes and wankers who knew the right things to say or how to sell themselves. (Just look at so many of the jaded and disillusioned comments from women here, and you will see what I mean.)

Hang in there, buddy. It's not exactly a joyful thought, but.. The right one for you is out there, but the only way you'll find her is by grabbing a shovel and digging through all the shit.

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RE: Need some guidance - 1/2/2012 12:10:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Casteele

FR to OP

Some good advice from others.. But my own advice is.. Just be yourself, and be true to yourself. While I do not see anything wrong with your seeking advice per se, my initial reaction was "Okay, this guy wants to be the man that every woman dreams about finding so they'll throw themselves at him." It just doesn't work like that. One woman's "perfect man" is another woman's "perfect wanker."

So your best bet is just be who and what you are, and keep searching until you find that one special woman who thinks you're everything she wants but has also discovered the frustration of browsing millions of profiles without any success--or worse, finding many men who seem to be what she wanted, but turned out to be guys who were anything but. They were just fakes and wankers who knew the right things to say or how to sell themselves. (Just look at so many of the jaded and disillusioned comments from women here, and you will see what I mean.)

Hang in there, buddy. It's not exactly a joyful thought, but.. The right one for you is out there, but the only way you'll find her is by grabbing a shovel and digging through all the shit.




that is SOOOO true

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RE: Need some guidance - 1/2/2012 8:26:19 AM   
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I would tend to agree, doing it through profiles on here is going to be difficult, for a number of reasons. I also agree that going to munches, BD/SM group meetings and such is helpful, it at the very least lets you meet people who have navigated these waters and (hopefully) have found someone to share it with. Ya never know, you also might meet someone!

I agree totally with the other posters, you need to be honest about yourself and quite frankly, if you are seeking a submissive (F I guess in your case), you might want to treat it more like you are wooing someone into meeting you and perhaps ending up together rather then jumping into the bd/sm thing. BD/sm has its own dynamics, but in reality it is still people coupling up (if you are looking for a relationship, that is, and not simply a play partner). A dominant jerk is still a jerk, an unattractive sub is probably an unattractive sub. What you have to remember is unless you are going to play out some severe Gorean-like situation, a D/s relationship is a vanilla one with chocolate sauce, and there is plenty of the mundane in there, subs want someone who interests them and attracts them on many planes, they want someone probably that is intellectually interesting, who has other interests other then whips and chains, and yes, can show that they can love the other person and respect them. When finding someone, talk about the things that you think make you special, and not just about bd/sm things, because a relationship is a lot more then that. Think about it, if you were looking for a 'real' vanilla relationship what would you do to attract someone? Would you put 'hey, babe, I am great in bed, my dick is big and the girls think I am hot?' or would you mention you have a life, that you like music of some sort, that you like to cook for the person you are with, that you love watching movies together and cuddling, or whatever? A personal ad that said "hey babe, I am great, let's fuck' wouldn't get many responses, as I am sure you realize.

I agree with others, your profile is too generic, it is full of a lot of buzzwords and such and doesn't say a lot about you as a person it comes off as someone who is eager to use all this knowledge they have picked up without saying what he really is looking for in a relationship. Quite honestly, I often wonder if it is better to find a vanilla partner who may be compatible (i.e seems open minded), because then it forces the other partner (sub or domme) to work on getting the relationship being about 'US' rather then a laundry list of things to do or not do (and yes, I had my own learning curve, was as clueless as anyone and had developed bad habits to boot in my own journey).

If you are going to try the messaging tack, here are some thoughts:

-Make your profile more human,that you are a well rounded person with X attributes looking for someone. Since you are new, make clear that you would be learning as well as the potential sub but put that in a good context, that it means you will be growing into the relationship and instead of imposing what you want, is building a relationship you both want, which despite it being d/s, is what this is about.

-Please, please, don't do what so many jerks do on here, I hate to tell you how horrible it is on the other side. Read the profile of the person, don't tell them "I am looking for a 24/7 slave to fuck and use" when the profile indicates they are looking for a play relationship, or worse, just friends......

-Don't send 4 word messages, like "hit, cute pic, got any more" or "hey, babe, want to meet?". Sorry, guys, but all that tells me is you don't care enough to even mention things like your name, what you are looking for, and shows an attention span of a gnat that hit a windshield.

-Introduce yourself, tell her you were intrigued by her profile, that her interests seem to coincide with yours (while a lot of people ignore it, there are a ton of non bd/sm things in the profile). Tell her her smile in the picture captivated you, that her profile seemed to show someone with depth, whatever it was that attracted you (not 'hey babe, your big tits are ripe for fucking', ). Dom or not, you are selling yourself, if you want a relationship you are going to need to do that. Talk about you idea of a romantic dinner with bd/sm leanings, or how you would keep up the bd/sm dynamic while also showing how you love the person you are with, etc....it is painting a picture. One thing I like to hear personally is someone who says "I enjoy the path in my relationships, I enjoy both guiding my sub and learning from her/him as well and creating something unique along the way on a journey that doesn't end" instead of jumping to the destination where it is all about the dom/me.

-If someone says not interested, then send back a respectful response saying "I am sorry it didn't work out, thanks for responding". And if they don't? Move on, don't send messages like "hey, babe, cmon, didn't you like me?".

-Expect a lot of failures, putting up a profile is easy, a lot of it is just fantasy and the odds of finding 'ms. right' on here is going to be hard, but it can be done.

-Being new may not be as big a hindrance as you think, though it is devious, lot of subs IME like having a dom/me they can help meld to fit their needs as much as the other way around. Speaking as a sub, it was kind of cool to unleash the inner tiger in a potential dom/me, and help them find their 'inner domness" while also getting what I needed:)

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