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Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 6:12:55 PM   
Judas007


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Status: offline 		Well tomorrow in the GOP vote (not one run by the state, but by the GOP party) there seems to be no rules for who can vote. 

Same day registration is allowed, voting without an ID will be allowed, voting with nothing more than someone one else saying you are able to vote will be allowed for their own GOP election.

However, when the GOP runs against a Dem on the ticket it seems all new kinds of rules will be applied to make sure you have the right to vote...So as long as your a GOP supporter willing to vote in a GOP election anyone can vote,,,,,,,but when it comes to the two parties GOP vrs DEMS then there seems to be a whole different level of rights

Almost like the GOP run state does not want supporters of the DEM party to have the right to vote

seems like a double standard
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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 6:36:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The law in Iowa has not passed. They cannot require an ID.,, for either side.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 6:42:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		in fact, the vote will take place before Nov.  This will be the first time the laws have been changed to make it more difficult for a person to vote. 

Not that Iowa matters,,,it's just an interesting look at how the GOP intends to change the voting laws in states they control. 



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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 6:57:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it changes between now and the general election, it will not affect the outcome of the primaries, nor would it give an unfair advantage to either side. The law must be equally applied or it has to wait till such a time that it can be equally applied.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 7:09:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The PRIMARY election is to help decide which candidate the GOP wants to "put up" as their presidential candidate.  Think back, the Dems had a primary election for Obama vs. Clinton, 'K?

This year, no Dem candidate is coming forward to challenge Obama.  IF CLinton - or any other Dem - wanted to challenge Obama - this is where to start.  Get it?

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In Colorado, the State runs both the primaries at the same time.  NO election day registration: Un-affliated voters may declare a party.  NO other affiliation changes may be made on election day.  Un-affliated voters may vote on issues other than candidates.

From an election judge who NEVER missed judging an election for over 25 years.  IDs were never required since "the homeless can't afford an ID and so you are dis-enfrancishing them."  HUH?  But that's a topic for a different string.

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ETA: If there is no race for the Democratic nomination, sure does look like the GOP is running a race all by themselves.  OP.... go check.  I'm not saying you're wrong, just that things are not always as they seem to be.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 7:11:54 PM   
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In Colorado, the State runs both the primaries at the same time. NO election day registration: Un-affliated voters may declare a party. NO other affiliation changes may be made on election day. Un-affliated voters may vote on issues other than candidates.

From an election judge who NEVER missed judging an election for over 25 years. IDs were never required since "the homeless can't afford an ID and so you are dis-enfrancishing them." HUH? But that's a topic for a different string.


Many states are trying to pass such a law. Iowa has one in the Senate having passed their House already.

Oops.. edited because you did.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 7:31:52 PM   
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There's a HUGE difference betwee a Primary election and what IS happening in Iowa which is a Caucus.  In a Caucus, you are right - it IS run BY the party.  If no one gets 50% plus a vote, then there IS a Primary election run-off between the top two winners in the caucus.  Some states have top three cacus winners proceed to STATE primary.

Typically, each State party has their own rules for a caucus.

One year, I was sure Reagan would be the GOP candidate, so I changed my registration to Democrat (typically 30 days ahead.)  Went to the caucus where I was APPOINTED - not elected mind you - to advance to the District convention.  I was aghast -having been elected by GOP caucus to advance, many a year - and declined.  <"Lance, why the heck did you do that?" you ask.  "To try to split the Dems by voting at the District level for Kennedy against Carter." I answer.>

Each State has their various (district, county, and state) conventions - each a mini-version of... "I represent the Great State of Colorado -blue skies - home of Tim Tebow - blah, blah - tasty cattle - blah blah MILE HIGH blah and I cast our 9 votes for the next President of the United States of America _____ fill in name here _____ "

So, OP - it is NOT a vote!  It's a Caucus tomorrow night.  Appoint, vote, toss coins in air.... whatever.  People selected go to (typically) county assemblies - where they are usually elected to District conventions and then to State Conventions to decide the GOP candidate - at the GOP National Convention.  So pull down your knickers, step out of them - straighten those palces that are twisted and step back in.   

Geez - all it takes is ONE google search - just one......

Maybe that should be a new rule - - -  any P&R thread MUST have a google reference at the beginning. LOL!

Prize for location of each National Convention:
BRB with answer.......
GOP - Tampa Bay, Florida
Dems - Charlotte, N.C.


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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 7:33:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not unfair?????  They do nothing to suppress the vote in the election they pay for and hold, yet seek to change the rules for the general election.  So how is this not controlling/changing the rights of every person to vote.

Show me in the US Constitution, where a political party has the power to do this????  It is not there....

What's fair is fair as they say..if everyone can vote in the primary, why not the general election.

And can anyone offer FACTS to all the voter fraud the GOP claims is out there????  In Wisconsin, where Walker claimed all the new voting rules protected the vote from voter fraud.....Sates records show in the last 10 years only 6 votes have been discounted because of voter fraud....as those where because of convicted felons voting....

There has never been the wide spread voter fraud the GOP claims there is to change the voting laws, only they wish to suppress the votes of the poor

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 7:43:30 PM   
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So how is this not controlling/changing the rights of every person to vote.


Would it matter if Gingrich won instead of Romney as far as the general election goes? Perhaps. No state will have a Democratic primary this year, as far as I know... someone stated he would run against Obama, but I havent heard a peep out of him in months.

Even if it was a federal law that all people would have to have an ID, but it didnt go into effect until March, it would not change the outcome of the general election.

As a Democrat, the GOP can run however they want to run their primaries... They better follow the law for the general.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 7:53:04 PM   
Judas007


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Status: offline 		well, it is easy to make your statements if you ignore what the GOP is trying to do in WIS, the new voter ID law to take effect for the recall, Huh..why change the law if it is fair???

In Iowa, the same laws are in the house and expected to pass..it will be the firtime in US history where laws are passed making it more difficult for people to vote...all and only in states with GOP control.....by every standard studied (except FOX) where it makes it harder for the poor (mostly Dem supporters, or ethic groups to vote) 

where is the GOP proof of voter fraud to support their claim????????? for such radical change to voting laws....it is not there which is why they are losing in state coutrts

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/2/2012 8:47:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Judas007

Well tomorrow in the GOP vote (not one run by the state, but by the GOP party) there seems to be no rules for who can vote. 

Same day registration is allowed, voting without an ID will be allowed, voting with nothing more than someone one else saying you are able to vote will be allowed for their own GOP election.

However, when the GOP runs against a Dem on the ticket it seems all new kinds of rules will be applied to make sure you have the right to vote...So as long as your a GOP supporter willing to vote in a GOP election anyone can vote,,,,,,,but when it comes to the two parties GOP vrs DEMS then there seems to be a whole different level of rights

Almost like the GOP run state does not want supporters of the DEM party to have the right to vote

seems like a double standard



The Iowa thing is a "Caucus"....they are not electing anyone to anything.

It's a parlor game....nothing more.

It's for the news papers and CNN, but it does help to winnow the field.

It's nothing more....or less.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/3/2012 12:02:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Judas007

Well tomorrow in the GOP vote (not one run by the state, but by the GOP party) there seems to be no rules for who can vote. 

Same day registration is allowed, voting without an ID will be allowed, voting with nothing more than someone one else saying you are able to vote will be allowed for their own GOP election.

However, when the GOP runs against a Dem on the ticket it seems all new kinds of rules will be applied to make sure you have the right to vote...So as long as your a GOP supporter willing to vote in a GOP election anyone can vote,,,,,,,but when it comes to the two parties GOP vrs DEMS then there seems to be a whole different level of rights

Almost like the GOP run state does not want supporters of the DEM party to have the right to vote

seems like a double standard




So anyone from any other state can just show up in Iowa and vote?
Yeah, we really do need voter i.d. laws!

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/3/2012 4:44:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know you are being factious popeye.  The Iowa caucuses do have same-day registration, but ID is required to register even if it isn't required to actually cast a vote.  Everybody must prove residence in the caucus precinct.  Rachel Maddow went over how the Iowa caucus works on her show just last night.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/3/2012 5:49:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jaysus.  It's a freakin' press event, nothing more.  Has about as much weight as a fart in a windstorm.

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RE: Iowa and the right to vote - 1/3/2012 9:07:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Primaries are usually a private, party affair with them making their own rules.

The actual election is a state affair,with rules passed by state lawmakers over years and years.

Don`t get me going on the electoral college.I would so love to see a one vote one person count instead of what we have now.

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