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DesFIP -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 9:23:02 AM)

I can't help but sneer at the article Maria cited. A BDSM dominant is constrained to act in a certain way, dress in a certain way? Not here. He's the leader, I'm the follower. It's bdsm because I get tied and spanked and clamped and so on. That's it. He doesn't own any leather except for a wallet, belt and shoes.




OsideGirl -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 9:49:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
He doesn't own any leather except for a wallet, belt and shoes.
Master owns a leather jacket, gloves and chaps. But, then again we also own a motorcycle and I own the same items.




fragilepieces -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:01:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
He doesn't own any leather except for a wallet, belt and shoes.
Master owns a leather jacket, gloves and chaps. But, then again we also own a motorcycle and I own the same items.


They have to be assless chaps with nothing worn underneath.




slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:07:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I think too many people believe that leadership is the same as being dominant. I will go as far as to say, I don’t believe you can be a leader if all you can give is dominance. Dominance is play time within this lifestyle, leadership is constant. we so often here about dominant submissives. I believe any submissive has the potential to become dominant if she isn't lead.

A baby can be dominant. Any of us who have had the good fortune to have children know all about the ‘highchair tyrant, the tin pot dictator'!
I keep hearing the words, 'natural dominance' and I can't help but think of my sons when they demanded they be fed or played with NOW!! They were natural dominants. What they both had to learn was, the key decisions were not theirs, because they were not the leader.

Your thoughts please



All infants with rare exception act dominant for survival. Once they know they WILL be fed and they can communicate by other means they do. We guide them to learn HOW to communicate in a non alienating way and when it is reasonable vs spoiled.

Are they dominant? No they just want to eat and they have no other way of getting it- though for all intents and purposes they act that way. But the don't evolve that way over time.

A submissive adult is usually very capable of managing their own lives quite well and maybe even have road rage. But in a one on one relationship (or poly if they are) they (i) are submissive and willing to consent to TPE and and make no decisions, and ask permission for things most children need not do unless it is to the convenience of the Master.

As a child grows a parent (IMO now that i have raised some) is better if they can recognize how their child is NATURALLY inclined. To dominance or submissiveness and teach them life skills to ensure capability for independence without trying to turn them into a submissive or dominant. A child who's natural tendencies are supported and shown how they CAN be successful as they are will have a much better life and feel good at what happens with it rather than constantly feeling like "if only" and dissatisfied, and perplexed at the feeling of falseness or fear. Feeling unreal or something is missing. (it is)

Often parents have agendas and feel their child (i think this is most common) HAS to dominate to be a "winner" (being a winner is being yourself and loving it and succeeding in what fits you) So many kids a are pushed into a dominance they are not comfortable with and become bullies, or people who almost reach the "top" and blow it each time, abusive (i believe MANY cases of DV is caused by submissive men who believe they should be dominant.) and just simply not living up to their potential. A submissive can't live up to their potential acting a dominant because they mess it up somewhere even if they "arrive" at the position. i have an interesting story about a CEO that illustrates this well. PM if interested. Basically submissiveness was trained into the background as "bad". i was raised that way and have been able to drop it and continuing to evolve to the person i AM not what i "should" be.

The other side is the idea that ALL people should be passive and overly polite, be quiet, let others lead (religions often push this with their members) or lead yourself but really following what others are doing first. Don't make waves. don't embarrass the family etc. This leads to extremely frustrated dominants who have difficulty with conflicting feelings. They NEED to dominant- yet feel guilty and perhaps sinful, acting submissive as they haven't been taught to lead, or feel okay in their dominant skin. Master is like that but He has been gradually getting more comfortable being Himself. These are dominants who could have been the CEOS but didn't because the tools were missing, the acceptance, confidence in their dominance needed to go there. It was trained into the background as "bad". How many of us submissives have Masters or Doms that they wish were more Dominant? Not sadistic (that is different) but dominating more consistently. They do, then fall back, maybe say something indicating their unsureness, or being a total asshat thinking that THAT is domination rather than being a true leader.

Either can grow up to be bullies as they flail around not knowing how to be who they are since they weren't guided so acting a role or fighting a role. And both will not live up to their potential because they are hamstrung by their misplaced core directives.





littlewonder -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:19:00 AM)

I think the only leather we own are a couple of toys and cuffs lol...oh...and some shoes lol. Other than that we don't do the whole "bdsm leather" thing and I actually laugh when I see people wearing it at bdsm stuff. I mean, leather sweats, you're building up a sweat. It's gotta be the most uncomfortable thing you could wear. Thanks but I'll stick to loose and comfortable clothing.






slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:24:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I think the only leather we own are a couple of toys and cuffs lol...oh...and some shoes lol. Other than that we don't do the whole "bdsm leather" thing and I actually laugh when I see people wearing it at bdsm stuff. I mean, leather sweats, you're building up a sweat. It's gotta be the most uncomfortable thing you could wear. Thanks but I'll stick to loose and comfortable clothing.





oh don't laugh. i've liked leather and loved seeing leather since a kid. Actually it is quite comfortable in temp up to 75 degrees California humidity. i do NOT do heat well at all and go sleeveless and 3/4 pants in temps in the 50's. Back east maybe not so good with the higher humidity.

Started wearing it in earnest on motorcycles and found it to be way more comfortable that i thought, not just for winter.

IN SF leather can be worn anytime almost. LOVE the smell and feel of leather. Leather.velvet and chains. mmmmmmm (i hate lace though)

NOT wearing something because others do (not saying you- just a matter of taste and kink) is just as bad as wearing something BECAUSE others do, or do not.




slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:26:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fragilepieces


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
He doesn't own any leather except for a wallet, belt and shoes.
Master owns a leather jacket, gloves and chaps. But, then again we also own a motorcycle and I own the same items.


They have to be assless chaps with nothing worn underneath.

LOl i have a pic of that on a couple of sites- not here. Pretty popular with my Glock 19 stuck in the back waistband




Ninebelowzero -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:37:49 AM)

Awesome thought.




slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:39:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ninebelowzero

Awesome thought.

Is that your only post? You said that in the CB 6000 one too!




Ninebelowzero -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:41:19 AM)

Yes




OsideGirl -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 10:45:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fragilepieces


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
He doesn't own any leather except for a wallet, belt and shoes.
Master owns a leather jacket, gloves and chaps. But, then again we also own a motorcycle and I own the same items.


They have to be assless chaps with nothing worn underneath.


Master would tell you....not a chance in hell.

Funny story: We were at a party and we were sitting outside at a table talking. One of our male Dom friends comes up, stands beside Master and joins in the conversation. Master turned to look at him....and almost got a cock in the face because our friend had changed into chaps with nothing underneath. He's like...."Jeez....warn me first, will ya?"




MariaB -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 11:08:51 AM)


DesFip
People who sneer are patronizing but I guess that's what you meant and I shouldn't expect more from you as you have a tendency to kick where it hurts or at least where you think it will hurt. What article was this that I cited? When did I say that dominants had to dress a certain way or act a certain way?

slaverachel2Him
When I spoke about the 'dominant child' it was very tongue in cheek. I remember when one of my children hit the terrible twos and how I found myself enslaved to his very unreliable mood swings! My husband used to call me and say, 'hows the boss?' All these years later we laugh about the merry dance such a tiny person could put us through.
DesFip insinuated that I was a bad mother but I refuse to be insulted by someone who hurls such big stones. I'm happy to report that my now grown sons are very stable adults and we remain a close and loving family.

Pam
In the truest sense they are correlated, but its only a truism if everyone knows and understand the depth to which dominance or submission can go. I was around for a number of years before I started to understand its depths.
I remember after playing hard with a person in a club and sitting back and observing the room. All these people getting spanked, whipped and tortured but seeing little connection between the top and the bottom. I remember suddenly thinking, hell, what is all this about. It suddenly all became senseless and for a while I left the scene and tried to ake stock of myself. It was only after deep conversations with close friends, reading psychology books and meeting Steve that I came to understand the enormity of this. For me back then it wasn’t a truism.







MariaB -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 11:14:09 AM)

Oh and just in case I have misguided people here. Leather does not make a dominant. The way people dress is up to them but personally I would rather dominate someone in my pj's or some comfortable jeans. Corsets are too restrictive and I don't wear leather apart from shoes and boots.




Ninebelowzero -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 11:16:39 AM)

Many years ago I read an article that stated that babies have 3 types of cry each designed to elicit a specific response. Hence I watched with interest as boy's mum automatically knew what boy needed, a change, a feed, a cuddle. I suspect it is more a case of topping from the bottom rather than domming.




RopePlease -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 12:16:01 PM)

I don't remember who said it, but i agree that some submissive make excellent leaders. To me being a leader means your providing a service to those your leading. your looking out for their best interests. Both a D-type and an s-type can do that and do it well.



doing it and doing it and doin it well.....=]




fragilepieces -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 12:21:18 PM)

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Master turned to look at him....and almost got a cock in the face
I don't care if I got beat for a year of Sundays I would have fallen on the floor and busted a gut.




slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 12:26:26 PM)

LOL There IS such a thing as timing!!! Apparently not this time! LOLOL
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: fragilepieces


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
He doesn't own any leather except for a wallet, belt and shoes.
Master owns a leather jacket, gloves and chaps. But, then again we also own a motorcycle and I own the same items.


They have to be assless chaps with nothing worn underneath.


Master would tell you....not a chance in hell.

Funny story: We were at a party and we were sitting outside at a table talking. One of our male Dom friends comes up, stands beside Master and joins in the conversation. Master turned to look at him....and almost got a cock in the face because our friend had changed into chaps with nothing underneath. He's like...."Jeez....warn me first, will ya?"





slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 12:28:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RopePlease

I don't remember who said it, but i agree that some submissive make excellent leaders. To me being a leader means your providing a service to those your leading. your looking out for their best interests. Both a D-type and an s-type can do that and do it well.



doing it and doing it and doin it well.....=]

that is true IF the submissive knows it's strengths and weaknesses. Same for a Dominant. Clarity of purpose and know where the possible tripping zones are and intercept them.




slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 12:30:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Oh and just in case I have misguided people here. Leather does not make a dominant. The way people dress is up to them but personally I would rather dominate someone in my pj's or some comfortable jeans. Corsets are too restrictive and I don't wear leather apart from shoes and boots.

Absolutely. i am a submissive and He loves me in leather as much as i like it (fortunately) and i love HIM in leather too, and He wears as much as He wants- jacket, belt and usually shoes/boots. chaps when on motorcycle.
i wear jacket, boots, belts pants and chaps when on bike or taking assless chaps photos.

It is what works for you/me.




slaverachel2Him -> RE: The Natural Dominant ? (1/7/2012 12:32:02 PM)

At least you're honest. LOLOL
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ORIGINAL: Ninebelowzero

Yes

LOL at least you're honest! hahha
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ORIGINAL: Ninebelowzero

Yes





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