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Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 2:32:52 PM   
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I've always seen BB as the "best" of the electronics retailers, and in the past I went there all the time to play and review and to buy.

But not so much in the last few years.  Here is a longish, very interesting article, if you are an electronics geek.  I'll extract two of his most interesting points:

Why Best Buy is Going out of Business...Gradually


... a few days before Christmas that the company had only just informed some customers that online orders, some placed the day after Thanksgiving, couldn’t be filled and were being cancelled.  The out of stock items included the most popular items, including TVs and iPads, “as well as other tablets, cameras, laptops, PS3 games and the Nintendo Wii.”

The company issued a statement that read:  “Due to overwhelming demand of hot product offerings on BestBuy.com during the November and December time period, we have encountered a situation that has affected redemption of some of our customers’ online orders.”

Let’s parse that sentence for a moment.  The company “encountered a situation”—that is, it was a passive victim of an external problem it couldn’t control, in this case, customers daring to order products it acknowledges were “hot” buys.  This happened, inconveniently for Best Buy, during “the November and December period,” that is, the only months that matter to a retailer. For obvious reasons, the statement ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning that the “situation” occurred during the holidays.

The situation that Best Buy “encountered” has “affected redemption” of some orders.  Best Buy doesn’t fill online orders, it seems.  Rather, customers “redeem” them.  So it’s the customers, not Best Buy, who have the problem.  And those customers haven’t been left hanging; they’ve only been “affected” in efforts to “redeem” their orders.  It’s not as if the company did anything wrong, or, indeed, anything at all.

It’s all so passive.  It’s also a transparent and truly feeble pack of lies.

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According to the company’s most recent annual report,

    We believe our dedicated and knowledgeable people, store and online experience, broad product assortment, distinct store formats and brand marketing strategies differentiate us from our competitors by positioning our stores and Web sites as the preferred destination for new technology and entertainment products in a fun and informative shopping environment.”


There’s just one problem.  Not one word of that, at least in my experience, is true.  Their “people” are not knowledgeable; they are annoying.  The store “format” is entirely generic; perhaps a little confusing.  The stores and Websites are not “preferred destinations”—they are destinations, at best, of inertia, or in the case of exclusives, destinations of the only resort.  The “shopping environment” is the opposite of fun and informative.  It’s depressing and humiliating, as in “I can’t believe I had to go to Best Buy to get this.”

I never liked Circuit City, and when they fired all of their experienced people as an economy move, I knew that they were toast.

I'm not sure how far BB is behind them, any more.

What have your experiences been with Best Buy?

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 2:40:40 PM   
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As someone who used to be employed by BB...It's a horrible horrible company that cares nothing about customer service but lining their pockets with their petty bullshit money.

I can name on three counts where I had a manager say sexist remarks to me. I can name another four when a female manager told me to get over it. I can recall being physically ill and asking to go home and having them tell me I was just faking it.

I also remember being told to just sell anyone a credit card, because if we can't get them to get more interest, we don't get more money.

They're horrible and vile.
People complain about the company I work for now, but I will say it is NO where near as bad.


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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 2:45:00 PM   
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I just got an awesome deal on a big screen TV and theater sound system from HH Greg.
Great staff, great prices, great financing. 24 months with no interest.
I still buy my music CD's at Best Buy. They usually put new releases on sale. HH Greg is moving into South Florida quickly and looking to take over the market. From the experience and deal I just got there, I'd say they're well on their way.


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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 2:57:35 PM   
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I've had good luck with BB but then again, I've probably only bought half a dozen items ever. Appliances and two televisions.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 3:32:39 PM   
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Their business model essentially relies on ripping off people who don't know any better. Sooner or later they're going to fail.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 3:59:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

What have your experiences been with Best Buy?

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Crappy.

I actually enjoyed this article as I had a similar experience to the one described in it. I was shopping and pricing for a new computer for Christmas 2010 for the other-half. I was approached by an "associate" and I told him what I was looking for and the things that I wanted with it. He proceeded to show me their new touch screen computer where there is no tower, it is all behind the screen. I informed him that I was not interested in that. He continued to show it and demonstrate it for me. I again told him what I was looking for. I got no-where.

At the time I thought it was the "confused little-woman shopping for a man" syndrome that I was experiencing. Which did NOT make me thrilled. But after reading this article I see that it was par for the course. (OMG! Can you believe I used a sports metaphor?)

I also dislike their restocking fee. It is ridiculous.

I won't go there if I can help it. I have been into ONE since the aforementioned trip. It was to buy a specific cable. Once again I was questioned and I told them what I was looking for. (No, I cannot recall the technical term for it now.)

"What do you need it for?"
"I could tell you, but you wouldn't understand me, where would I find it?"
"What are you going to hook up?"
"I am connecting a 2001 Siemens R/F room to a DIACOM box for use with a PACS system. Can you tell me where to find the cable?"

Blank look.

I gave up and went to find a game store and bought a Wii cable.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 4:49:13 PM   
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What company DOESN'T have lousy customer service these days.  It seems the big chain stores all do.
I don't buy a lot of electronics, but I like to look at them, so I go into BB once in a while.  I think they have gone downhill since their main competition went under.  Ever before that they were terrible, I had a horrible experience when I bought a computer there one time.  The goddamn thing did not work, and they acted like I was the problem.  The last time I went BB, right after Christmas, I couldn't wait to get out.  It was noisy, and confusing and awful.  I did see one thing I was interested in, a pet hair attachment for a Dyson Vacuum.  I scanned it with an app I have on my IPhone, and discovered that it was cheaper on Amazon.  I ordered it from there on the spot. 


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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 4:55:31 PM   
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I HATE Best Buy. I always feel as if I'm surrounded by sharks. (kinda like when I go to buy a car...)

Companies I've dealt with that have incredible customer service are Zappos (just amazing!) and Amazon. (very good!)
Companies I've dealt with that have very good customer service are Costco, and Trader Joes. (these aren't all big box companies, just companies that know how to treat their customers.)

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 5:47:41 PM   
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quote:

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What company DOESN'T have lousy customer service these days.  It seems the big chain stores all do.

I've run into some companies that just make me glow with happiness because of their customer service.  One of them is the convenience store chain "Quick Trip" in the South East.

I'd never heard of them before I moved to Atlanta, but they are all over the place there.  I've been to probably 30 or so in the last three years, and each and every one has helpful, intelligent and quick people working in them.  On top of that, they are always spotlessly clean, well-stocked and priced right.

There are very few such stores, or chains that I ever cared much for, but I already miss QT now that I'm back in Kentucky.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 6:03:36 PM   
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quote:

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"What do you need it for?"

"I could tell you, but you wouldn't understand me, where would I find it?"

"What are you going to hook up?"

"I am connecting a 2001 Siemens R/F room to a DIACOM box for use with a PACS system. Can you tell me where to find the cable?"

Blank look.

I gave up and went to find a game store and bought a Wii cable.

That's hilarious, Aylee!

The first time I ever went to BB was to get assistance on some computer product or interface I was thinking about buying, and I wanted to make sure it would work.  I think it was laptop memory.

It took me all of about 2 minutes to figure out that bullshit talks in the Geek Squad.

I've rarely found a geek who knows what he is talking about working in any retail store, and I've all but given up expecting it.  Often times, I just ask a "technician" or a technical sales rep a question that I already know the answer to, just to judge them. 

I found one guy in one of the Microcenter store in Atlanta that knew his crap, and started using him, and only him when I bought computers or stuff (they work on partial commission).  I had his schedule, and he gave me his card, so that I'd schedule my visit only when he was there.

One time, he wasn't working his schedule, and I couldn't get him on his cell, so I went elsewhere.  But before going off, I gave several other of their salesmen opportunities, and even talked with their manager.  None of them were trustworthy to give me the advice I needed.

I eventually ended up at a Fry's, and interviewed about 3 sales associates, before I found one that I trusted enough to start shopping.  I warned him that we were going to monopolize him for a couple of hours, and if he didn't know something, not to BS me, or I'd walk or toss him back into the pool. 

He accepted the challenge and it worked out pretty good.  I even bought him coffee and lunch. And bought over $7k worth of equipment from him.  He seemed pretty happy at the end of the day.

Guys who try to cover their ignorance with BS tend to lose customers.  If you don't know ... frigging admit ignorance and find out.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 6:06:36 PM   
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I've had both good and bad experiences with BB, more good though. The times I've been there looking for advice I was lucky enough to receive good information. Their service  has gone downhill with the demise of their competitor, I'll agree, but I wonder if that's not just them trying to survive in a crappy economy too. I'll keep going there for now till I find some overwhelming reason not to....they usually have the best price on certain things.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 6:16:32 PM   
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We have a competitor here in TO(im guessing canada, with regards to BB) Its called Future Shop which is pretty much the same.
Big items like a tv, sound system, fridges and cookers I have no problem with.
I did just get a nice lil camera from BB tho, very little hassle
Ive personally had no issue with them and was actually quite surprised by the CS (pleasantly)
I have never bought online from them tho, I was warned against that about two years ago?
Im pretty sure it was from someone on CM too


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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 6:41:07 PM   
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That's why I take the approach I do with my customer service. I don't lie to customers. I don't bs them. I refuse to try to sell them something they don't need. Sure it pisses my District Manager off from time to time, but I reflect VERY good customer service reports, and people are more likely to preorder game from me because I don't LIE.

I saw so many of my fellow employees at Bestbuy lie to customers just to get them to leave them alone. It was horrible. What pisses me off more is if a BB employee is in the wrong place, most will go "Not my department". If I was ever at say, Home theatre by accident (because it was by the freaking bathroom), I'd find someone from Home Theatre to help the customer.

Grrr. I hate Bestbuy almost as much as I hate Walmart.


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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 7:05:01 PM   
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http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1138614/ is a thread about how they quietly refused to honor their price matching policy.  Yep, the one they advertised.  Guaranteed class action slam dunk.  How stupid do you have to be to implement a policy that gets you sued and is still so crappy you're losing customers?

Edited to add:  they also had a secret website that purported to be the actual Bestbuy site and was evidently only used to deny online prices: http://consumerist.com/2007/03/best-buy-confirms-the-existence-of-its-secret-website.html

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 7:11:52 PM   
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Actually legally, an advertisement is just an offer. They do not have to honor it. (according to the lawyers in the legal classes I took)
It sucks but...

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 7:34:55 PM   
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quote:

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http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1138614/ is a thread about how they quietly refused to honor their price matching policy.  Yep, the one they advertised.  Guaranteed class action slam dunk.  How stupid do you have to be to implement a policy that gets you sued and is still so crappy you're losing customers?

Edited to add:  they also had a secret website that purported to be the actual Bestbuy site and was evidently only used to deny online prices: http://consumerist.com/2007/03/best-buy-confirms-the-existence-of-its-secret-website.html

heh.  Nowadays, I'd have the web page on my Galaxy S and show it to them!.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 7:45:05 PM   
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I was shopping for an iPad and looked at BB website, found they had a special on it ($50 off) which was the most anyone was offering... the price was good for the whole weekend.. i go into the store and talk to a clerk, i tell her what i want and .. i didnt see a sale sign on the ipad display so i tell her that they have a special on their website.. she said she thought that was just for the holiday and over now.. i told her no, it was for the whole weekend.. i waited for a fair bit of time (she was supposedly looking up their website).. then she finally came back and told me yes, i could get the $50 off.. then she wanted to sell me their geek squad thing to set up my ipad which i refused... waste of money imo.. i need a geek to set up my itty bitty ipad???? If i hadnt viewed their website, asked and pushed for the same price then i would have been charged the regular price..

Anyway, you have to check their prices against their competitors both stores and online (i dont rely on their best price guarantee thing).. you have to check their website cuz sometimes prices are lower and they will honour their online price in the store.. (or you would just go back home and order it online lol).. So twice at BB i got a lower price just cuz i checked online first.. but you have to do that with all companies, imo.. its your money, you need to do as much as you can to make it go as far as you can..

I dont rely on the clerks at these types of stores knowing anything,.. i read the specs carefully so i know which is better for my needs..

In this day and age, its rare that a company will have customer loyalty.. thats cuz so few deserve it.. If BB goes bye-bye.. someone else will come in a fill the gap, pretty fast too, imo..

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 8:51:37 PM   
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I've run into some companies that just make me glow with happiness because of their customer service.  One of them is the convenience store chain "Quick Trip" in the South East.

I'd never heard of them before I moved to Atlanta, but they are all over the place there.  I've been to probably 30 or so in the last three years, and each and every one has helpful, intelligent and quick people working in them.  On top of that, they are always spotlessly clean, well-stocked and priced right.

There are very few such stores, or chains that I ever cared much for, but I already miss QT now that I'm back in Kentucky.

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QT is just plain E-VILLE! They sell maple long johns. It is a darn good thing that I only stop there when I am going East on K-10 before 10am.

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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 11:02:15 PM   
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My preferred E store is Fry's Electronics, but BB isn't that bad around here... The badge might help, or it could be I'm friends with the LP manager thou;)

For big electronics purchases I usually buy from Costco, they add a year to most warranties for free.


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RE: Are you a Best Buy fan? - 1/9/2012 11:17:51 PM   
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When you get good employees who become experienced in your business you take care of them.
You need to pay them well and treat them well.
If a company is going to screw over their employees then they need to go out of business.
Employees should feel good about coming into work in the morning/aft/eve.
If your co. has top notch, knowlegable and polite personel people will see that and it will get around.
And FFS don't call them "associates!" "Associates" = low pay rude employees.
And another stupid thing that looks good on a spread sheet and in theory that probably came out of some big business school and seems to have nothing but problems is that "just in time" delivery!"
The first time a deer causes a huge semi truck loaded with the latest computers/software/games to go off the road and smash into a tree that blows that theory out of the water! TO ALL COMPANIES, if you don't have a *warehouse* or can't afford one then maybe you shouldn't be in business in the first place!
The type of people who come up with that crap are the same ones who go to Wall Street and ruin our economy.
Don't you just love that term; "projected savings?"

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