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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 3:16:00 PM   
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History nerd time.

All the nation armies tried cavalry attacks against emplaced machine guns at the outbreak of WW1. What was unforgiveable was that the British already knew what effect maxim guns had from the Boer war campaigns.

That was one of many unforgiveable crimes by the British High Command during WWI.

The war was pretty much a horror show from start to end and turning it into a feel good kiddie book and/or movie is revolting. Romanticizing that war is only possible now that (almost?) everybody who fought in it is dead.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 3:43:13 PM   
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My grandfather fought in WW I.  PTSD does not begin to describe it.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 4:08:35 PM   
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Go fight a war...........any war...........I sometimes still wake up screaming 50 years after I was in one up to my neck...........thank the gods for an understanding partner

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 5:41:21 PM   
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PTSD is a bitch to deal with.  I hate hunting season because of it.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 7:09:26 PM   
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History nerd time


I was just teasing my British friends hoping to get a rise...not making a historical statement.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 8:10:12 PM   
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Go fight a war...........any war...........I sometimes still wake up screaming 50 years after I was in one up to my neck...........thank the gods for an understanding partner


Your profile says you're 45. Care to explain how you remember a war fought five years prior to your birth?


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 8:11:43 PM   
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Go fight a war...........any war...........I sometimes still wake up screaming 50 years after I was in one up to my neck...........thank the gods for an understanding partner


Your profile says you're 45. Care to explain how you remember a war fought five years prior to your birth?



Reincarnation?

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 8:16:49 PM   
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I saw a movie recently that would give War Horse a run for its money in the "dull" department.  Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy was so boring, I couldn't believe I had spent 15 bucks to see it.  It could not be saved by the presence of either Gary Oldman or Benedict Cumberbatch.  The book must have been better.

OMG... that was the next movie on my list because I though it had to be good if Gary Oldman was in it. 




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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/11/2012 9:20:26 PM   
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OK... I'm 15 minutes into the movie and I want to poke my eyes out with a pencil. 

I'll sum it up. 
A horse was born.
Someone bought it at a horse auction.
The end. 

Pass me a pencil please. 

Did anyone see this dog of movie? 
Does it suddenly become less boring than the English Patient at 20 minute mark or something?
Is there a discernible plot anywhere other than "just another uneventful, dull, droll, boring, slow day in the life of horse that lives in a uneventful, dull, droll, boring, slow town full of uneventful, dull, droll, boring, slow people "?


http://landmarkreport.com/rmcginnis/2011/12/review-of-war-horse/

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We are less than seven years away from the anniversary of the end of World War I, and the last surviving combat veteran of the war died this year. There might be young people unaware of the dire historical facts and the unspeakable human toll of that war, but for almost everyone else, the sheer scale of the losses and nightmarish reality of the trenches, repeated in refrain for almost a century, has dulled us to the staggering truth of it all. Which is probably why Spielberg and the creators of War Horse have seen fit to transfer our sympathy from a mere human caught in that carnage to a horse, enlisting it to re-awake our sense of pathos in the form of that most noble and graceful of animals, into whose big, dark, anxious eyes Spielberg invests so much human emotion. It’s a remarkable feat, to be sure, but some part of me can’t help but be saddened that we’ve had to transfer to an animal what we can no longer comprehend in men.


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 7:05:14 AM   
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Sadly, I think we do it all the time. Even I am guilty.

Example........commercials that try to gain my financial support for charities. One showing sad children's faces, another showing sad animal faces. For whatever sick fucked up reason, the sad animal faces bother me MORE! How disturbing is that?


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 8:25:47 AM   
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Not disturbing at all, LaT. I have always felt more sympathy towards animals than people. If I choose to donate to "Save the Elephants" rather than " Save the Children" , it is nobody's business but my own.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 8:28:09 AM   
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My grandfather and another guy from his Wyoming unit went to get water. When they got back, the rest of their unit were all dead.
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PTSD is a bitch to deal with.  I hate hunting season because of it.


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 8:33:18 AM   
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At breakfast today I skimmed through the last half of the movie.  I skipping the 10 minute aerial views of a field and wide cinematic views watching the grass grow . . . the fucking movie was like looking at that TV show where a painter teaches you to make a landscape with a sponge.

Sure, there is some degree of human interest, but I have seen some good 'plight of war' topic movies.  The Pianist was awesome, Warhorse was not.  Bambi had more plot and was better paced in my opinion.


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 10:41:18 AM   
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PTSD.

I live in a Service feeder town, it's either building diggers or the armed forces for most kids. I live with work with & socialise with veterans. Firstly there is a very high rate of weird illnesses that they suffer& die from. Secondly & this is hard fact. In the first 15 years after the Falkland war more veterans committed suicide than died in the war, from the Argentinian rugby players that I know this statistic is mirrored with their veterans also.

it was the Duke of Wellingtion who first espoused that a nation has a duty of care to its veterans after the Napoleonic wars. After every war since & including that one we have significantly failed to achieve this through physical rehabilitation, re skilling or even let alone the mental effects of armed conflict.

Perhaps we never will.

my prophesy is watch for lone gunmen amongst the veterans from the post 9-11 conflicts I suspect there will be many on both sides of the Atlantic.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 10:51:40 AM   
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Agreed. We, as a nation, do a TERRIBLE job of caring for our vets.

Here in Iowa City a large number of our homeless are vets.

Look at the kid that killed the park ranger, that they later found dead. A lot of these young people are powder kegs looking for a fuse.


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 12:27:36 PM   
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N old friend of my grandfathers about 40 years ago used to take cover when a VW Beetle went past him I never knew why, it was explained at the time that he suffered from shell shock from WW1.

I was talking to a mate of mine who had been stationed in Beirut in the 80's when USS Missouri was firing her 16 inch guns over the British contingent in to the Druze Militia in the hills behind them. Phil said the shells sounded exactly like a VW Beetle going overhead.

That explained that then.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/12/2012 2:03:09 PM   
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I just got the next few days off.. yeah.
I am gonna cook up some awesome marinated chicken and watch a movie. 
I can't believe the only movie I haven't seen is Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. 
I Hope it's not as bad as Warhorse.
I've been warned, so I have my pencils at the ready. 


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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/13/2012 4:44:13 AM   
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Keep an eye out for Whorehorse the next time you're renting a DVD...

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/13/2012 6:18:37 AM   
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At breakfast today I skimmed through the last half of the movie.  I skipping the 10 minute aerial views of a field and wide cinematic views watching the grass grow . . . the fucking movie was like looking at that TV show where a painter teaches you to make a landscape with a sponge.

Sure, there is some degree of human interest, but I have seen some good 'plight of war' topic movies.  The Pianist was awesome, Warhorse was not.  Bambi had more plot and was better paced in my opinion.



I got teary at the death scene and my partner at the time wouldn't let me live it down for years.

(Well its was sad his mum was dead)

Thanks for the heads up on Warhorse as I was going to see it.

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RE: -=Warhorse is a deadhorse, someone kick me=- - 1/13/2012 6:26:40 AM   
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if you want war movie in no particular order take a gander at these.

Cross of Iron.
The big Red One.
The young Lions
All quiet on the western front.
Patton
The Longest Day
Battle of Medway
Ice cold in Alex
The best by far IMO is still A Bridge too Far.

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