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ResidentSadist -> RE: Is this objectification? (1/12/2012 11:56:29 PM)
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ORIGINAL: xssve
Well there you go, I think it's one of those things that you know it when you see it, I think it takes a tougher person to handle it, in previous discussions, I've heard women in here describe how unrelenting objectification became ultimately, over a period of time, kind of a drag - if I'm not understating that.
re: RS, the definition of objectivity is seeing things as they are, not as you wish them to be: objectification as play is in some sense the opposite: "you are a slut, act like one, etc.", i.e, for the duration of the scene, and that can be liberating, given that if you want to experience true objectification, join a church, and when they ask you to testify, tell them about your last gang bang, how good it felt to have all those cocks pounding you, the warm feeling of lying on the bed exhausted, cum leaking from your swollen, throbbing holes, and how you can't wait to do it again - I guarantee you'll get a taste of true objectification.
In any case, putting a woman on a pedestal is objectification, being mother is objectification, etc., pretty much any role is objectification, objectification in BDSM is usually about getting over your hangups about enjoying yourself sexually without distancing yourself from the experience, but really being your self and exploring your feelings as a purely sexual being without all the second guessing.
It's not the only thing, there are myriad different forms, Dollification, fuckmeat, rag doll, slave, etc., even daddy dom, whatever works for you, but the huge onus on expressing anything but the approved sexuality in some circles really does a number on some peoples heads - seriously, there is almost no positive model of female sexual expression other than wife and mother, it's not really fair, but neither is it easy to change, you have to roll with it to some extent.
If you're lying there wondering what "people will think" instead of getting into the act, it's called spectatoring, and presumably, it's a different thing than subspace, which is immersing oneself in the act.
Bottom line is, you're doing the same thing - whether you're being objectified negatively or positively, is largely a matter of preference, you're going to be the same person regardless.
The points you make are quite valid but I just don't see how they apply to this thread. It's like you imagined the OP asked something they didn't.
"I've heard women in here describe how unrelenting objectification became ultimately, over a period of time, kind of a drag"
I don't think the OP's gang bang fuck party is gonna' last a lifetime. I thought the OP was clear. We aren't talking about her living in a cage, or acting as an ashtray, urinal or table over the "long term". The poor chick just wanted to know if the proposed scene was objectification or not. Again you are imposing things on the OP that aren't true.
Objectivity has nothing to with objectification. WTF are you talking about? I reply to your posts because I think you miss the point (and definition) of objectification. Some people don't want to "feel", they don't want lust and passion... they want to disconnect. Whether it is that they can only function sexually when disconnected or it is a retreat from emotions, they don't want all those things you describe. You describe many things like humiliation, deification, adoration and worship, not objectification.
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