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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

One also has to wonder about the motives of people who can't address the point and instead stuff the thread with irrelevant nonsense.

There are a great many people who are neither homophobes, nor in any way fundamentally opposed to civil rights for gays and lesbians, who nonetheless cherish a sincerely held belief in the sanctity of marriage as a deeply special relationship between a man and a woman. Taking the attitude that they need to get over it, that if they don't adopt a broader view of marriage then they are just a bunch of ignorant bigots, and pointing a long accusing finger at them when they react to that approach with hurt and anger, is not a plan likely to accomplish anything constructive.

And neither is whinging about reaping what you sow.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Let's see if I can sum this up. You don't consider their beliefs valid. Unless they can give you a better reason for their feelings, you don't much give a fuck how they feel about it. And you don't understand why you should be having such a problem getting what you want.

Hmmm... I don't think I can help you.

K.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I used to be married to a girl that looked like Ibrahim Lincoln once, but she was mean, so I left her...

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Yes, yet another gay marriage thread.
An interesting fight is shaping up in the state of Washington. The outgoing governor is insisting that the legislature take up the issue of gay marriage this session. She is doing this very publicly and insistently, and forcing them to take a stand.
The legislators, for their part, are bleating on about how they need to concentrate on budget issues ( guess they can only do one thing at a time) or, conversely, insisting that the issue needs to go to a vote of the people (we get to vote on other people's civil rights, now?).
Still others are screaming about what a slippery slope this is, since Washington passed an "everything but marriage law" just a few years ago. Allowing marriage among gays is just another step closer to the state sliding into hell.
I don't get it. Why are some, both repub and dem, so set on denying others their civil and legal rights? I know this is a pretty sex friendly crowd on here, but can anyone make an intelligent argument as to why gay marriage would be the end of life as we know it? The pope certainly couldn't, as evidenced by the other thread. Conversely, why isn't an "everything but marriage" law good enough?

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Exactly

Not to mention the whole separation of church and state. If indeed, marriage was ONLY a religious ceremony, there would be no issue. But it isn't, it is a legal ceremony that does not require any religious affiliation at all.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
"Government" needs to stay out of the bedroom of consenting adults!

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I don't give a fuck about people's religious beliefs...


And I don't give a fuck whether you do or not. They're still human beings, and your attitude toward their feelings has a very low probability of having a constructive outcome.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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< Message edited by Iamsemisweet -- 1/12/2012 1:19:13 PM >

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Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
If the goals of the gay and lesbian community were limited simply to gaining equal legal status for same-sex unions, I'm quite sure they could have had that long ago.