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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 6:51:02 PM   
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*fast reply*

Well, I have now read through each and every post, 12 pages now. And given myself a little time to compose a few thoughts.

I don't usually post in the Intros section--only on occasion, if it's something that really grabs my attention.  Like most humans on this site (yes, there are a few of them) I was having a particularly raw moment last week--I had just finished deleting more 'delightful' anti-transgender hatemail from my in-box, and wouldn't you know it?  An intro post popped up from someone asking for someone to pay for their surgery.  Well, it just plain crapped in my corn flakes--and I wrote an absolutely venomous response.  Within 24 hours, I got my very first gold letter (for those of you new--it means "mail from the mods", very politely informing me that my post was not appropriate for the intro section. 

And the mod was right.  Not really sure if my response wouldn't have still earned me a gold letter if it were in a different forum, but "intros" is for intros.
I have to remind myself that not everyone has had the experience I've had---not everyone came into "kink" at a young age....or had the opportunity to work in dungeons.....or have a huge social network of leatherfolk.....or be able to march down the street in the leather pride parade.   So for many here, putting a single line into an internet forum may be a terrifying.....and liberating experience.  And so I can see LadyPact's point that it would then really suck when the online kink folks basically tear up their intro.

On the flip side of that argument--when we get 'lookin for u misstress 2 fuk me" it usually means that we see the constant "CM is all fakes...why cant i get me a dominate.." threads ad nauseum.  But I suppose that's the price we all pay for a free forum.  And truthfully....I'm a cheap bastard.  There's no way I'd pay to be on a site like this. So the price of freedom...or...free Domme, if you like  (heh. I just thought of that. feel free to use it) is that we have to put up with things that annoy us, stupidity, mean-ness, people on their high horses, and snarkiness.  Including mine.  Unless we change the TOS to read "and you must be nice"  It's good policy...not sure how we enforce that, however.

I get bored a lot by this site.  Same questions...same debates...same people being mean to the same people....over and over again. But I will play by the rules.  Why?  Because the beauty of this site... I've met some really wonderful people....LIVE...in the flesh.  I'm going to meet another CM person this weekend, in fact.  It's allowing me to do exactly what it was intended to do: help me find like-minded others in the kink-community.



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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 6:56:03 PM   
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I tried to exemplify the kind of posting behavior I wanted to see from others. No doubt I did so imperfectly, but I tried to set an example of thoughtful posting that responded to a topic based on its merit, instead of the witch hunts and popularity contests that I saw all too often.


Actually, you do this quite well and it's a shame you haven't gotten more positive feedback for it.

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How many people lined up to defend anniezz338


I did.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 6:58:51 PM   
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Something happened with Anniez? I miss all the excitement.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 7:02:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Something happened with Anniez? I miss all the excitement.


Colour me clueless............as usual.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 7:04:00 PM   
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Are you talking about annienoz? (or however you spell it)

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 7:05:13 PM   
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No, not Maltese socklady, a nice kind of shy sub.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 7:06:01 PM   
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I believe it was Dec 2010.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 7:07:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I believe it was Dec 2010.


Oh okay, I missed it for sure.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 7:42:48 PM   
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I just went to the Introduction to CM thread....and re-read the two webpages....one on Netiquette and the other on Forum Etiquette.  (Rule #25, incidentally, was "Be Kind to Newbies")

I had read them when I first joined, but it was good to read them again.
Including the rules about "Don't type all in CAPS" and to "remember the human" behind the keyboard before you post.   good stuff there.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 8:58:24 PM   
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It took me awhile to actually read this whole thread so far but anyway....

I've never seen LadyP get so upset about something before but I'm betting that, like a lot of us, she's burned out and at her wits' end after the holidays. I can understand that. Totally.

I have to say that, yes, I've been not-so-nice on the message boards before. I admit it. Sometimes I'm even snarky. I won't pretend I'm not. Normally, though, when I'm actually snarky it's when someone has been snarky toward me first. Also, if someone asks why they aren't getting any answers to their profile I'll read their profile and then I'll give them my opinion, which is also not always a welcome one but, hey, the OP asked. Or, if someone's posting an obvious ad, I will refer them to either or both the Professionals section and their own profile. Yes, I'm not always nice and I like to save the "MeanGirl" part of me for consensual partners, but I'm not perfect.

As for the question about why women put pictures of their cats or dogs on their profiles, well.... Because I can. HA! Oh, and because I want people to know that I have a cat & we are a package deal.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 9:01:38 PM   
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quote:

I'm here... Still.  Every time you decide that you will ostracize someone because they don't suit you, I will still be here.  Every.  Single. Time!  The fucking mean girls shit stops now.


LP, I found myself sliding into that "mean girl" pit in that section. The last time I went was in defense of someone else who has truly only ever tried to be nice and was being attacked. Yeah, I know, thats what the Mods are for. Thats not me.

Other than that, I had already decided to stay out of that part.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 9:19:05 PM   
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On the subject of snark, I think it is worth pointing out that some people thrive on it. Arpig, for example. If so many posters hadn't been so willing to rely on insults and name calling, we might not have fed his addiction for vindictiveness for so long.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 9:33:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

On the subject of snark, I think it is worth pointing out that some people thrive on it. Arpig, for example. If so many posters hadn't been so willing to rely on insults and name calling, we might not have fed his addiction for vindictiveness for so long.

Well, he had several personalities going with his vindictiveness also.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 10:05:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

On the subject of snark, I think it is worth pointing out that some people thrive on it. Arpig, for example. If so many posters hadn't been so willing to rely on insults and name calling, we might not have fed his addiction for vindictiveness for so long.



~FR


Speaking of that subject.

Its going to be a while before I can view anyone who is new as a "new" person. For me, it started out on Politics by new people attacking and whining, and its continuing now. Call it a knee jerk reaction. But, honestly, how many people waltz into threads they have never visited and start complaining or attacking?

Am I jaded now? Yep, I sure am. I dont try to be the mean girl. If you ladies saw how much backspacing I do before I post... lol.. half my keys have the letters worn off.

I warned everyone on that other thread that more damage was caused than most people realized it. So, yeah, Im probably going to end up on moderation eventually. Im probably going to piss some of you off.

Im much like pam, to be honest. I would rather have fun and laugh than argue. I dont mind debating... I believe I have a pretty good mind and can hold my own in a discussion. I am just sick of the constant bickering and name calling and attacks from every side that no one can seem to know what way is up anymore.

Not everyone posts with kittens and hugs. I definitely dont. But I am exceedingly careful about what I post outside of Politics. I save the more aggressive side of me for there.

But for months some of us have been attacked all over the place. So, not to pick on anyone here. Those who believe some of us are here only to get out kicks out of being mean to others may want to remember the hell these boards became for some of us.

I know, for me, its going to take a while to let go of some feelings, especially that feeling of waiting for certain posters to return.


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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/15/2012 11:22:43 PM   
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Exactly. And he used them to stir up trouble. But a lot of other people were more than willing to get caught up in the nastiness. He must have loved that. He managed to suppress any meaningful discussion or offering of diverse opinions and caused an atmosphere where every topic turned into a barroom brawl. But, a lot of us willingly joined in. And he is not the only person who loves dissent
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ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl

Well, he had several personalities going with his vindictiveness also.


< Message edited by Iamsemisweet -- 1/15/2012 11:35:12 PM >


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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/16/2012 12:51:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Speaking of that subject.

Its going to be a while before I can view anyone who is new as a "new" person. For me, it started out on Politics by new people attacking and whining, and its continuing now. Call it a knee jerk reaction. But, honestly, how many people waltz into threads they have never visited and start complaining or attacking?

Am I jaded now? Yep, I sure am. I dont try to be the mean girl. If you ladies saw how much backspacing I do before I post... lol.. half my keys have the letters worn off.

I warned everyone on that other thread that more damage was caused than most people realized it. So, yeah, Im probably going to end up on moderation eventually. Im probably going to piss some of you off.

Im much like pam, to be honest. I would rather have fun and laugh than argue. I dont mind debating... I believe I have a pretty good mind and can hold my own in a discussion. I am just sick of the constant bickering and name calling and attacks from every side that no one can seem to know what way is up anymore.

Not everyone posts with kittens and hugs. I definitely dont. But I am exceedingly careful about what I post outside of Politics. I save the more aggressive side of me for there.

But for months some of us have been attacked all over the place. So, not to pick on anyone here. Those who believe some of us are here only to get out kicks out of being mean to others may want to remember the hell these boards became for some of us.

I know, for me, its going to take a while to let go of some feelings, especially that feeling of waiting for certain posters to return.


Originally, I was going to trim this for space, and then I decided against it.  I'm totally going to give you the points above.  I'm also wondering if it's all tied into the same thing.

Do you happen to remember some time back, there were a couple of threads asking about what would be suggestions to make the place better?  (If I remember right, pam had started her version of one and then Alpha added another.)  A lot of people mentioned a newbie zone or a safe zone.  Now, I'm the last person to say that I think people should get treated with kid gloves everywhere, but Intros is really the closest thing we have to that.  Give them their one shot where they get welcomed (or if they are just acting an ass, skip it and find someplace else to play).  If they are a twatwaffle in other sections, we can help them with the attitude adjustment there.


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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/16/2012 1:01:10 AM   
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On the subject of snark, I think it is worth pointing out that some people thrive on it. Arpig, for example. If so many posters hadn't been so willing to rely on insults and name calling, we might not have fed his addiction for vindictiveness for so long.


There's always been a tendency towards histrionics and emotionalism and away from responding calmly and logically; a disinclination to ask for clarification before jumping to negative conclusions. I suspect many people are just looking for an excuse to fight, because, deep down, they really want to, it's why they're here. I also think there's a STRONG pressure to conform that often turns into an ugly mob mentality and completely shuts down any chance for rational debate. I think it was those problems that set the stage for Arpig, and which he perceived abd manipulated very skillfully to his own advantage. And though he is gone now the underlying problems have not changed at all.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/16/2012 3:56:08 AM   
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And they won't. Period.

I can only control me, what I read, what I reply to, and how it all affects me. There are more posters who's words I do not read, than do. I ignore most of the ooey gooey, stupid to me, flirting. The purposely misspelled silliness. Most of the posts by several that never EVER post anything positive, especially towards women. One is so misogonystic and unaware, there is very little of their spewage I bother with. There is another similar to that one, that used to post prolifically and with a dance on the edge, mostly entertaining, that now is just juvenile in their attacks with nothing of value or entertainment. I ignore 99% of whatever they write unless my eye catches my name with the second. The other day they did, I replied, and then quickly realized that it was fruitless. He was determined to see me and my motive falsely, due to some crazy shit of his own. I just quit reading his posts and replying. The first, I've no consideration for his way of thinking so why bother, seriously. I know he's a putz, why drag myself down reading his drivel level? Certainly I've seen some maso women that seem to think he's fabulous and yanno, for them, he may be. He may be feeding into their own twisted personal shit. Who am I to deny them, that.......whatever.....experience. Ultimately they will pay the price. It's not my responsibility.

There are a large number of people that are hell bent on posting nothing but sickening saccharin waste, IN MY EYES. I don't bother reading their stuff and it would be ridiculous to post in reply to it. It's a waste of my time. They are entertaining themselves and those like them. Most of it is in it's own section, though it does tend to drift into off topic. I immediately recognise the poster, and move along. As I said, it entertains them and a few others. Who am I to say they shouldn't be able to post drivel just because it is drivel to me. It may be fabulous to someone else.

You can only control you, what you read, what you reply to, and how all of it affects you. I've said this before and I will continue to say it. We have joined a FREE site that is owned by someone else. That someone else has created a Terms of Service. Those are the rules we must adhere to to remain members. Those owners have respresentatives to make sure the TOS is being followed. Beyond that, there is only one person responsible for MY words and that is ME.

If MY words are within TOS and I am comfortable with them, then it really is a case of too bad, so sad, move along if you don't like it. I know I am abrasive and I know that I am offensive to those with thinner skin, more sensitive sensibilities. To a point I say, too bad. Some of the stuff I see as drivel is to ME, annoying and offensive also. So we, as individuals have a choice, behave as adults and take responsibility for ourselves, not only our own words and the flack we may get for them, but how we react to other's words......or we whine and moan and try to get other's to shoulder some of that responsibility. Well, I am not going to take responsibility for some over sensitive twit taking offense to my words.

I already accept that there is an accross the board fact about human beings.........we cannot have every single other person like us. As hurtful as that is for some, it is still a fact. I know that there are some people so sensitive that it is hurtful to accept, not everyone will like you. But seriously, do you need them to? Do you REALLY want them too???? I remember telling Bob once, after one of his particularly nasty outbursts that I was damned glad he lived no where near me. It was obvious he was unstable. There are A LOT of people on here I am very glad are not my neighbours or friends. I don't want their bullshit in my life, and/or, they couldn't handle me in theirs.

It's no different than real life. We present a certain person to the world at large. Yet, no matter what we believe we are presenting, the people that pass us I guarantee get a different picture than we imagine. Some better, some worse, most are just.....different. I liken it to hearing our own voice on a recording versus how it sounds in our head. Some people will be drawn towards what they see, then, the more they get to know you, they are either repelled or drawn even closer. It's the same here.

Just as in real life, there are behaviours of others we either reward with our attention, regardless of whether that behaviour is something we like or not. The same goes here.

If a person doesn't like an individual's style of posting they have the ability to not see it. That is taking personal responsibility.

I am not going to tell any of the regular posters they need to behave any differently. That's not my job here, I am not a mod. I will simply continue to take responsibility for MYSELF. I won't take responsibility for you, or anyone else here. Not in how you post nor in how you feel about how I post. For anyone, including myself, to place ourselves on these pulpits and preach our own, one true way, is assinine and fruitless. Because the very act of doing so is going to be abrasive to some. Their lack of personal responsibility will cause them to either purposely do what we've said we hated, just to be annoying to those they dislike that are doing the preaching, or directly retaliate and create more discontent. It is a no win situation.

You really ARE better off being what you want to see and ignoring the rest and leaving it at that. Sometimes I accomplish it, other times I don't.

When I was out running dogs and feeding horses I thought of something else. I actually believe that, in some ways, this place is a lot less nasty than it used to be.

There are/were, a crew of posters that primarily stick to the random stupidity. They rarely posted anything constructive in the rest of the forums. Yet, when a certain few posters they obviously have/had disdain for, posted, especially on certain subjects, they would swoop in with a lot of very passive agressive 'advice'. Oh it was couched in helpfulness but any moron could tell they were behaving like the nasty middle school girl crowd. The victim didn't have a chance because they were smart enough to stay on the faux nice side and......it was apparent that quite a few people seemed to actually like them. Fortunately one of the ring leaders has disappeared and a lot less of that goes on now. But I discovered that confronting them directly in the thread was fruitless most of the time. It just made me look like a big meanie because, yanno, they were giving such uberly helpful advice and all!

So I began to ignore their stupidity in the thread and just give encouragement to their victim, both in the thread AND, via email. Telling the victim in the email to just ignore the twats and focus on the facts they made available. That those twats did not constitute the mentality of everyone on the site. That it was obvious they were so shallow and insecure themselves, they felt they needed to attack someone struggling to make themselves feel better. Based upon what I've seen their favourite victim post, in the last few years....it might have helped. And the attackers have either disappeared or lessened their attacks.

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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/16/2012 5:39:58 AM   
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LadyPact, can I ask what changed between your post here ~ http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3521148 and now?

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In other words, just because somebody wants to do anything they like in the name of "kink" it's supposed to be tolerated? Everything a person says has to be accepted because they have an interest in wiitwd?

Sorry. No to both.

To be very specific, this is an internet message board. It is not a 'group'. Every person who signs up here should not have some kind of daydream that, just because they belong to the same site, that everybody is suddenly their friend. If they are going to make a fool of themselves by doing things they would never do in a group where they would be looking at the faces of other people, rather than a computer screen, they are going to get called on it.

See, in 'groups' people don't walk up to random strangers and begin a conversation by being crude and start describing the things they want to shove up their ass or shove their dick in your face. They don't walk up to people and the first thing out of their mouth is that they want to cheat on their spouse. A guy walking up to a woman in a bar telling her the sexual things he wants her to do to him would get him told off at best, slapped in the face, or the cops called on him.

There are actually some things written on this site so folks won't make these kinds of mistakes when they come here. The FAQ section on the Mistress board is quite good. Over the years, the Mods have put up guidelines for each of the sections to encourage folks to use the forums as they were intended. There's a very good help section here, that recommends that folks read profiles, use the search function, don't resurrect old threads, etc. All of this info is provided for people to use. If it was used more often, people wouldn't act on the forums like they would at some kind of kegger at a frat.


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RE: Welcome to Collar Me - 1/16/2012 6:51:53 AM   
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I tried to exemplify the kind of posting behavior I wanted to see from others. No doubt I did so imperfectly, but I tried to set an example of thoughtful posting that responded to a topic based on its merit, instead of the witch hunts and popularity contests that I saw all too often.


Actually, you do this quite well and it's a shame you haven't gotten more positive feedback for it.

Thank you.

quote:

How many people lined up to defend anniezz338


I did.

I know.




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