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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:09:44 PM   
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how do you come to a statement that says it makes 'fast and furious' ok?

whats the tie in? 

I asked for credible citations and court cases regarding the accusatories of the OP. He ain't got 'em, no surprise....and the nobody congressman.................

know what? do your own research, it is part of the topic. 

Nobody has said F&F Is ok
simple and true Ron

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:15:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't say that anyone said that. I was commenting on the fact that that method of argument seems to be rampant in political discourse. It's not helpful.

I think that Lucylastic came closest to explanation when she said:
"Its called hypocrisy, ignoring history and ignoring the truth for a feel good mental masturbation technique
ALL parties are guilty of it."

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:20:49 PM   
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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:21:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		My God, Sanity, it is amazing how people will twist themselves into Gordian incoherence not just to defend the indefensible but to attack you doing it.

I still think there will be more than one prison sentence over Gunrunner.

Is there any sensible reason there isn't already a special prosecutor, or are they just maintaining control of it in Congress for political reasons?

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:24:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, there is no gordian knot.  He is whining about Holder, and we are talking about the facts surrounding the Nobody Ex-Congressman , since we cannot come to some understanding of how he can conflate the two separate things.

It all seems pretty straightforward to me.  I don't know why you guys don't get it.

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:25:14 PM   
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My God, Sanity, it is amazing how people will twist themselves into Gordian incoherence not just to defend the indefensible but to attack you doing it.

I still think there will be more than one prison sentence over Gunrunner.

Is there any sensible reason there isn't already a special prosecutor, or are they just maintaining control of it in Congress for political reasons?

nobody is defending it. The disagreement is with the posters lack of factual statements not agreeing or defending F&F.


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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:31:02 PM   
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Truly amazing how not just the posters here contort themselves in order to obfuscate the facts of it, and to magnify relatively trivial concerns such as the nobody ex-congressman... but how the press corps does, and how so many of our politicians do as well, on a national; level

One would assume that prison sentences will come of Fast & Furious at some point, but when?

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My God, Sanity, it is amazing how people will twist themselves into Gordian incoherence not just to defend the indefensible but to attack you doing it.

I still think there will be more than one prison sentence over Gunrunner.

Is there any sensible reason there isn't already a special prosecutor, or are they just maintaining control of it in Congress for political reasons?


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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:32:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Curious for the right to attack the left over guns being purchased and/or given to the mexican drug cartels when most 'red states' hold very lax gun laws to begin with. The FBI has known for years which states have been supplying the drug cartels with firearms, ammunition and accessories (scopes, bipods, etc) for years. Some of that is done with straw-buyers and others in a covert manner. With the amount of firearms on the market, and the attitude conservatives hold towards tougher regulations, its an absolute flea market for the drug cartels. Yet, I find so many conservatives bash Mr. Holder for something they have been allowing in their own states for years. Wouldn't it be neat if those folks held themselves to the same level of accountibility and responsbility with firearms, as they lash at Mr. Holder?

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:34:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		the nobody ex congressman that financed terrorists for reagan and ended up killing 4800 of our boys and maiming countless others is a fucking trivial concern, to rightists trying to destroy america, perhaps, but not to real americans and veterans.

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:39:58 PM   
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The only equivalence possible here is between Holder and other people who deliberately broke the law, be they straw purchasers, drug lords, etc.
Are you even aware that what you call accessories (bipods, scopes, etc) are completely unregulated? Are you seriously suggesting federal laws for scopes??? Seriously?
Here's a thought for you. Push that idea to the DNC and to Obamao. Maybe they and every other Dim can make such a proposal the centerpieces of their campaigns.
I think that's just a brilliant idea. Fucking brilliant.

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:43:44 PM   
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This is a rebuttal to a post made in another thread -

Why are Conservatives supposed to care about a nobody ex-congressman criminal any more than any other nobody criminal

Are leftists aware that appointees of our current president are known to have given large quantities of guns to narco-terrorists, right? Illegal actions which led to around 300 deaths, including an American border agent. And that there is an active, ongoing coverup of this actual treasonous act both among the powers that be and among a majority of this nations' press corps?

To those of you on the left who think that the Obama administration giving weapons to murderous Mexican drug lords thus directly causing needlessly death and mayhem is no big deal - call us if and when you get your priorities straightened out





This is like "The Emporer Has No Clothes."
All the lefties will be misdirecting and making excuses for the "Emporer."


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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 1:46:08 PM   
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Lets see... Reagan, helping the Afghans defeat the murderous oppressive Soviets in Afghanistan, or working to defeat fascist killers in South America, vs. Obama arming Mexican drug lords...

Are really you sure you want to go there?



Fascist killers in South America...... Are you sure YOU really want to go there ?

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 2:00:16 PM   
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Prime example.

The only equivalence possible here is between Holder and other people who deliberately broke the law, be they straw purchasers, drug lords, etc.
Are you even aware that what you call accessories (bipods, scopes, etc) are completely unregulated? Are you seriously suggesting federal laws for scopes??? Seriously?
Here's a thought for you. Push that idea to the DNC and to Obamao. Maybe they and every other Dim can make such a proposal the centerpieces of their campaigns.
I think that's just a brilliant idea. Fucking brilliant.


I've signed two petitions in the last month calling for Holders's resignation or firing.

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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 2:10:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a fairly amazing spectacle, Holder stonewalling and Obamao supporting him. Possible cause:

1. Obamao was behind the idea?
2. Obamao clueless to the seriousness of this, thinks it will just go away?
3. Holder has something over Obamao?



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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 2:40:10 PM   
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How does what Reagan did make "Fast and Furious" ok?
Why do we do this thing where one person says "X did this," and someone else defends it by saying, "Yeah, but so and so did this?" What does one thing have to do with the other?


They don't really, except one can trace what is going on today largely to Reagan's policies.


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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/14/2012 2:44:07 PM   
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No, Reagan never tried to further the far lefts antigun agenda by arming Mexican narco-terrorists, but that was a nice try at some devious spin, anyway

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They don't really, except one can trace what is going on today largely to Reagan's policies.




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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/15/2012 8:00:34 AM   
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You mean Eric Holders giving weapons to Mexican Narco-Terrorists?

Yeah, should have included that, as its half of the thread topic

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You conveniently miss the HERE part.


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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/15/2012 8:03:11 AM   
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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/15/2012 8:07:30 AM   
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Oh, THAT here

He was generally speaking

I am guessing that he would agree that there are a few rare "liberals" here who can be counted on for some good, clean, sober, honest debate

Though they are very rarely heard from


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RE: Nobody Ex-Congressman vs. Eric Holder - 1/15/2012 5:45:50 PM   
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I've signed two petitions in the last month calling for Holders's resignation or firing.


I am sure it makes good reading for him before he turns in at night.

Did you happen to see what Mickey Mouses address was on those TWO petitions?  

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