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Lucylastic -> SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 8:39:48 AM)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57362783-17/rep-smith-postpones-sopa-work-in-response-to-criticism/ Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) today said that the House Judiciary Committee, which he heads up, "will postpone consideration of the legislation until there is wider agreement on a solution," adding that he has taken critics' concerns "seriously." "It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products," Smith wrote today in a statement. Smith's decision to wave the white flag now comes just hours after U.S. Senate leaders announced that they had postponed their vote on the Protect IP Act (PIPA) scheduled for Tuesday. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said that the recent criticism surrounding both SOPA and PIPA forced his hand, but he did acknowledge that he hopes to reach an agreement with the bill's foes "in the coming weeks."

DarkSteven -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 8:55:08 AM)
This is incredible news. The best news to come out of DC in years. The Bush administration made up lies about Iraq and invaded. The Bush and Obama administrations shoved TARP bailouts down our throats. Both showed the mindset of "We're the government - we can do what we please." Here, lobbyists pushed a powerful but essentially computer-illiterate Congress to make a law that they didn't understand, to protect special interests at everyone else's costs. We've seen this script before and we know how it's supposed to end. But it didn't. Not this time. The Internet rallied the troops. And Congress heard from the people. A LOT of people. All of them pissed off as hell. And Congress was FORCED to listen. Democracy. When it works, it's a beautiful thing.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 8:56:57 AM)
Its why they want to control it yes it is good news:) for now:)

Owner59 -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 8:59:05 AM)
The empire loses.........[:D] [sm=cheerleader.gif][sm=car.gif][sm=yahoo.gif][sm=dancer.gif]

tazzygirl -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:09:47 AM)
But there are other bills introduced. Has anyone looked at those?

kdsub -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:10:48 AM)
Maybe they will come up with a better solution...the problem does need to be addressed. There sure is no easy way that will please everyone. But that goes for most laws and legislation. Butch

vincentML -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:12:40 AM)
It may be over for this year but don't be surprised if the monster rises again in the future. Here is a very informative presentation from a TED lecture

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:15:07 AM)
They need to address many things but this part of the bill "granting the government and corporations broad powers to shut down Web sites they believe are engaged in copyright infringement -- without a trial or a traditional court hearing." is what the problem was for many.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:17:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It may be over for this year but don't be surprised if the monster rises again in the future. Here is a very informative presentation from a TED lecture I doubt it will be very long at all, within a few months. WHile the internet has spoken, the corporations are pulling the choke chains. You cant ignore them when they pay into your election funding.

kdsub -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:19:37 AM)
It seems to me as though that could be easily addressed don't you think. I see no reason why they could not make a provision where the offending party is given a chance to either make good by restitution or given time to provide a defense without being shut down. Why do politicians make things so damn hard! Butch

vincentML -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:31:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It seems to me as though that could be easily addressed don't you think. I see no reason why they could not make a provision where the offending party is given a chance to either make good by restitution or given time to provide a defense without being shut down.Why do politicians make things so damn hard! Butch See the video above. It explains. Your suggestion was attempted and found impractical. Now, if the internet platforms [google, wikipedia, etc ] are implicated they would be responsible for the millions of individual copywrite infingements violated by you and I, the end users.

tazzygirl -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:37:33 AM)
quote: I doubt it will be very long at all, within a few months. WHile the internet has spoken, the corporations are pulling the choke chains. You cant ignore them when they pay into your election funding. A new one has already been introduced. http://www.keepthewebopen.com/ OPEN: Online Protection & ENforcement of Digital Trade ActThe OPEN Act secures two fundamental principles. First, Americans have a right to benefit from what they've created. And second, Americans have a right to an open internet. Our duty is to protect these rights. That's why congressional Republicans and Democrats came together to write the OPEN Act. But it's only a start. We need your ideas: sign up, comment and collaborate to build a better bill. http://www.keepthewebopen.com/sopa-vs-open

kdsub -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 9:40:27 AM)
It seems to me if the offending party is known... or the service providing access known… then Google, for instance, need not be responsible to police the site. The owner of the site can first be given a chance to make good and defend itself. If they refuse or cannot be located then and only then, after due process, can a court order be issued requiring Google to deny service to that site. I see no problem with that solution…it seems very practical if slow. Butch

GotSteel -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 3:12:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML See the video above. It explains. Your suggestion was attempted and found impractical. Now, if the internet platforms [google, wikipedia, etc ] are implicated they would be responsible for the millions of individual copywrite infingements violated by you and I, the end users. Which kdsub is exactly what Viacom tried to do to youtube to the tune of one billion dollars, as I explained to you in the previous thread on this subject.

GotSteel -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 3:48:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven The Internet rallied the troops. And Congress heard from the people. A LOT of people. All of them pissed off as hell. And Congress was FORCED to listen. Democracy. When it works, it's a beautiful thing. This is a great example of how our system is supposed to work, a well informed electorate standing up to make their voices heard and keep their representatives in check. P.S. OK maybe calling it a great example of how things are supposed to work is going to far, I suspect our founding fathers expected that our representatives would have some idea about what they were voting on. Watching clips from the dailyshow of what actually happened was....horrifying.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 3:52:45 PM)
hate not being able to get it in canada http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/Shows/TheDailyShow?videoPackage=102095 theres the linky for anyone north of the border:)

PeonForHer -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 7:04:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A new one has already been introduced. Well, so long as Murdoch doesn't give it his backing as he did SOPA, it might just get somewhere. Honestly, it's flabbergasting. His henchmen have now been had up for hacking into emails as well as mobile phones. Yet, he still wants to present himself as a champion of 'intellectual property rights'. Perhaps it's lamentable that we don't all have the deference that we once had for disgusting, greedy old crooks with faces like boiled scrotums, but there we are.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 7:10:56 PM)
murdoch is in trouble now with the fbi Allegedly hacking Jude laws phone while he was visiting the US?? I guess this will be heard more of

stellauk -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/20/2012 10:34:13 PM)
I don't see this so much as a legal issue but more of a cultural one. There is already a solution - Creative Commons - but most people aren't interested in CC works, they want the copyrighted stuff. But perhaps if the mass media released some of their stranglehold on culture we wouldn't have so much of the vapid crap that the current 'industry' spews out and American artists and creative people might actually have a chance of getting somewhere. There's a lot of really good stuff out there being created and there's no shortage of people willing to fork out for decent culture but right now all the mass media are interested in promoting are celebrities, reality TV and other vapid 'formula' crap that I feel most people are genuinely sick of hearing about. You can pass all the legislation you like, but if people don't respect that legislation then you're wasting your time. Perhaps when there's a bit more investment in mainstream culture and more freedom, and perhaps when the mass media stops seeing culture as a potential threat and starts promoting new and upcoming stuff then we might see some progress. Furthermore when that happens and culture is given more opportunities to freely develop then you might see some positive changes in the economy.

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA shelved (1/21/2012 6:58:25 AM)
January 20, 2012 Joint Statement from AFM, AFTRA, DGA, IATSE, IBT and SAG Regarding the PROTECT IP Act (S. 968) and the STOP Online Piracy Act (HR 3261) The following statement was issued by the American Federation of Musicians (AFM), American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA), Directors Guild of America (DGA), International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, Moving Picture Technicians, Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States, Its Territories and Canada (IATSE), Screen Actors Guild (SAG), and International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT): "We thank and commend Senators Reid, Leahy and Kyl as well as Congressmen Smith, Conyers, Goodlatte, Watt and Berman and all the other co-sponsors of the PROTECT IP Act and the Stop Online Piracy Act, who in the face of an onslaught of mistruths and great pressure to renege on their commitment, stood steadfast in their belief that the uniquely American creativity embodied in our country's films, TV programs and music deserves to be protected from illegal foreign profiteers. We fought for this legislation because illegal Internet businesses that locate offshore expressly to elude US laws should not escape the very same rules of law that currently apply to illegal US websites – they should not be allowed to reap in profits if they knowingly sell or distribute illicitly gained content and goods which they had no role in creating or financing to the American consumer. "We recognize that we are currently part of a complex and important debate about the future, not just of the Internet but also of creativity, the American economy, free expression, and a civil society. We believe that the light should be being shined on every aspect of this discussion and on all of those who have a stake in it. We believe we should discuss what an unregulated 'free' Internet means for the future of content, just as we should also discuss the importance of an open Internet. "We welcome this debate. We hope a new tone can be set and it is not one that turns our advocacy for this legislation into an implication that we promote censorship. Our commitment to the First Amendment is decades old and long established – it is a matter of public record from long before the word 'Internet' was part of anyone's vocabulary. If one truly embraces free expression, they do not take down the Library of Congress websites, the very symbol of our country's belief in knowledge and learning. We would hope a new tone can be set that does not pit the creativity and innovation of our directors, actors, performers, craftspeople, and technicians against those innovators in other industries. We hope a new tone can be set that does not include website attacks, blacklists, blackouts, and lies. We believe an Internet that does not allow outright stealing has to be the Internet of the future or all the promises it holds will be unrealized. "We are committed to open debate. We are equally as committed to protecting our members' ability to create and to earn a living while doing so. We will work with Chairmen Leahy and Smith to make both possible.”

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