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DomKen -> 2 years later... (1/21/2012 9:34:30 AM)
Today is the anniversary of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision. The GOP primary battle is dominated by the supposedly independent super PACs that seemingly magically match up their message with that of their chosen candidates. Are we better off now or was CU a mistake?

tazzygirl -> RE: 2 years later... (1/21/2012 11:04:36 AM)
CU.. huge mistake.

slvemike4u -> RE: 2 years later... (1/21/2012 3:27:17 PM)
Huge,enormous,stupendous and historical mistake...one that can not be corrected soon enough .

Miserlou -> RE: 2 years later... (1/21/2012 5:35:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Huge,enormous,stupendous and historical mistake...one that can not be corrected soon enough . and monumentally stupid as well.

DomKen -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 8:35:56 AM)
I note none of the staunch "conservatives" had anything to say.

FirmhandKY -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 8:40:37 AM)
It's too early to make that conclusion. Personally, I don't think it went far enough, in some ways. We shouldn't have any limits on free speech at all: just absolute and full pubic disclosure. Which is possible now with the 'net. How's that, DK, from a "staunch conservative"? [8D] Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 8:46:27 AM)
So political office seekers should just go out and put up the "For Sale" sign than ? Money buys influence so let us go right ahead and be upfront about it....big bucks buy big offices,eh?

DomKen -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 10:24:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY It's too early to make that conclusion. Personally, I don't think it went far enough, in some ways. We shouldn't have any limits on free speech at all: just absolute and full pubic disclosure. Which is possible now with the 'net. How's that, DK, from a "staunch conservative"? [8D] Firm It's more pathetic than your usual pablum. Just ask yourself why Sheldon Adelson is able to so significantly influence the GOP nominating process.

FirmhandKY -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 10:39:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u So political office seekers should just go out and put up the "For Sale" sign than ? Money buys influence so let us go right ahead and be upfront about it....big bucks buy big offices,eh? Too many people live in the world of "should be, oughta be" not "as it is". Politics is money. Period. Full stop. To think and wish it otherwise is idealistic and unrealistic. The question is how do we use that fact and human nature to encourage the type of society and government we wish? The founders did a pretty good job with checks and balances, but we did away with some of the most important ones. Full disclosure, available on the net, of all "political" related expenditures and sources of funding would bring what is done in the dark out in the open. You will never ... I repeat NEVER stop money flowing into politics by law. All you will do is make the law something to disregard, figure out a way around, and increase the contempt for. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 10:56:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY It's too early to make that conclusion. Personally, I don't think it went far enough, in some ways. We shouldn't have any limits on free speech at all: just absolute and full pubic disclosure. Which is possible now with the 'net. How's that, DK, from a "staunch conservative"? [8D] It's more pathetic than your usual pablum. Just ask yourself why Sheldon Adelson is able to so significantly influence the GOP nominating process. oooohhhh ... another boogie man, that puts his money where his beliefs are ... we should shoot him! [8\|] Can we line him up next to George Soros? [8D] Firm

DomKen -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 11:10:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY It's too early to make that conclusion. Personally, I don't think it went far enough, in some ways. We shouldn't have any limits on free speech at all: just absolute and full pubic disclosure. Which is possible now with the 'net. How's that, DK, from a "staunch conservative"? [8D] It's more pathetic than your usual pablum. Just ask yourself why Sheldon Adelson is able to so significantly influence the GOP nominating process. oooohhhh ... another boogie man, that puts his money where his beliefs are ... we should shoot him! [8\|] Can we line him up next to George Soros? [8D] Firm That's funny What beliefs do Adelson and Gingrich have in common? Or is it simply Adelson backing the pol he thinks will stay bought?

Musicmystery -> RE: 2 years later... (1/22/2012 11:40:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Today is the anniversary of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision. The GOP primary battle is dominated by the supposedly independent super PACs that seemingly magically match up their message with that of their chosen candidates. Are we better off now or was CU a mistake? Mistake? Hardly. It was a blatantly political rewriting of the Constitution by "strict constructionists." May it bite them in the ass for a thousand years.

popeye1250 -> RE: 2 years later... (1/23/2012 12:57:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Today is the anniversary of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision. The GOP primary battle is dominated by the supposedly independent super PACs that seemingly magically match up their message with that of their chosen candidates. Are we better off now or was CU a mistake? I think the only thing worse than CU was getting us involved in all those free trade deals.

truckinslave -> RE: 2 years later... (1/23/2012 10:35:41 AM)
The only part of it that I disagree with is not letting the candidates control the SuperPacs. I think that might clean up some of the worst of the attack ads. A little. Or not. But in any case it would be another restriction on free speech removed. And, where speech is concerned, the rule should certainly be the more the merrier. Where do you think this is, Canada?

provfivetine -> RE: 2 years later... (1/23/2012 10:57:40 AM)
Nothing wrong with this decision. The problem is when the government passes out the cash; not when the private sector does it.

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