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The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:24:18 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		The title of this article is misleading, but the first sentence therein gets it right.

SOTU marks the 1,000th day since Dingy Harry Reid and his Dem cohorts allowed even the introduction of a budget bill.

LEAST productive Senate in history

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:44:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like, at least to me, that the Dems in the Senate are the party of put it on hold.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:48:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reid and Obamao both ate terrified of losing control of the process to the point that either the Senate has to vote on, or, Allah forbid!, Obamao has to either sign or veto a reasonable budget....

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 11:20:04 AM   
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As soon as their bosses tell them to pass legislation which benefits their business, they fall all over themselves sponsoring the pre-written legislation.

Just remember. All this Republican/Democrat shit is just to build ratings, because TV is where all the suckers' campaign donations are going, so Disney wins whatever happens...

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 11:31:59 AM   
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Does it suck when the other party plays obstructionist?

Welcome to the games. Find a chair; have a seat.



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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 11:45:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Reid and Obamao both ate terrified of losing control of the process to the point that either the Senate has to vote on, or, Allah forbid!, Obamao has to either sign or veto a reasonable budget....


Allah forbid!

rather bigoted, dont you think?

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 2:29:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remeber that budget fight near the end of this last summer? That August 2nd deadline? You know, where the Democrats came forward with both budget cuts and tax increases on the rich (whom many dont even pay half of the 35% they should be paying)? What did Rep. Boehner do when he had, and I quote "98% of what I wanted"? He and his Republicans bailed on the talks. When the 'Super Committee' was formed, it was given the task to come up with $1.2 Trillion in budget cuts. And if things were not completed, it would take out $600 Billion from Social Programs AND $600 Billion from Military Spending (dropping that budget by 75%). And did the Republicans come to the table to comprise and make things good for America? Are they going to honor their side of the debt, now that the super committee failed in its task? Since we all know that will not happen, why should Democrats honor their end of the deal?

I'm often surprised at the typical conservative. Total ignorance on reality. I have never gotten one conservative to answer correctly a question I have asked. They just look at me blank face and rattle of some mindless answer that is not even remotely based on reality or facts. "How much does $100 Billion in Budget Spending, buy and/or maintain in US Jobs?" Given that we have a recession with high unemployment, does it make sense to force MORE people into the unemployment line than we have currently? What percent of that $100 Billion is spend just on public sector jobs? How about Private sector? And than, the percent of those jobs 'down stream'? This is all 'higher level thinking and reasoning' than most 6th graders (which seems to be both the educational and emotional level of conservatives) could be expected to handle and/or understand. Because once we know how much each unit of $100 Billion in spending cuts would cost us in jobs, its a much similar calculation to find just how many jobs would be lost by dropping the budget $1.2 Trillion.

How about we have a REAL discussion on why the budget isn't where it should be? As far as I see it, Republicans seem to be the folks that have been against advancing the country in a positive direction (they have stated they are willing to do ANYTHING to make Mr. Obama a one term president). Anyone that is sane, educated and reasonable seem to point out that getting the budget back in order (including paying off the debt) will not just take budget spending cuts but tax increases. As the 'logic' from conservatives is that by cutting budget spending, lowering taxes, we will some how pay the US debt off.....FASTER; yet not one conservative has come forward to explain in some sane mathematical formula how this works.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 3:01:58 PM   
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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 8:40:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Sounds like, at least to me, that the Dems in the Senate are the party of put it on hold.

Anyone with a high-school education knows that it takes just a single Senator to filibuster(hold,stop,kill)a bill.

Now students.......which party has been holding up every appointment,every new law from being passed this way?




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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 8:52:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Aww....you're so cute.

Does it suck when the other party plays obstructionist?

Welcome to the games. Find a chair; have a seat.



Dem bills attain a majority vote quite regularly but it takes 60 votes just to try for 51 and imagine that...a simple majority to become law. Whatever happened to majority rule ?

The right hypocritically calls for a so-called 'return' to the constitution yet violates it everyday they invoke something called cloture...what ever that is that requires 60 votes to get to the floor. Does a great job of protecting capital and keep their taxes down.

Time to get to the constitutionally mandated majority rule except where it mandates a super majority.

Obama might be able to order a majority rule. Don't Know. He might have only TV speeches to very properly politicize about it and is way too late but it would expose the bastardization of the filibuster.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 9:24:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Does it suck when the other party plays obstructionist?




There is obstructionism, Muse, and there is dereliction of duty. We are talking about a budget.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 9:32:58 PM   
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Well then.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:02:09 PM   
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According to that often revered or dissed document, The Constitution of these United States of America, all revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives. The Senate can, of course, modify those bills, but Article 1 Section 6 quite explicitly defines the matter.

And, by the way, the rules about filibuster and cloture in the Senate are imposed on its own rules of order by its own members, and can be rescinded by simple majority votes.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:08:45 PM   
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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:14:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is what I know. Obama has until the first monday in Feb to introduce a budget.

Then it goes to both ends of Congress to the proper committees.

Once both houses pass the resolution, selected Representatives and Senators negotiate a conference report to reconcile differences between the House and the Senate versions. The conference report, in order to become binding, must be approved by both the House and Senate.



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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:48:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		And the Democrats failed to get a budget, even when they controlled both chambers, and the President has not forced the issue.

This failure of leadership to meet the fundamental responsibilities of governmental power should be a constant theme in the campaign.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 10:50:44 PM   
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Its a shame no one else can admit we sent all these morons to DC and they havent done a damn thing we sent them there to do. Honestly, its like watching a bunch of children whine because they didnt get the snack they wanted, so they are going to pout and throw a temper tantrum... and the "people" have to watch and wait for it to blow over.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 11:34:37 PM   
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Oh gosh, can we have more whining here?

Bitch and gripe on the rare occasion that a Dem congress does anything useful, whine and cry even more when they don't.

AM radio is going to take us far, folks! If only we heed their word.

But it's not only to that whence source of disinformation. The political science classes in today's universities would have us believe that 'conservative' thought (such as could be called) prefers a non-interventionist, non-'active' supreme court, yet the appointees from such-said 'conservatives' have set records for SC activism.

The econ classes start every explanation of inflation as some consequence of increased wages, (such as written by the likes of Fred Mishken, oh, what a surprise!) . The raising of prices with no commensurate improvement in quality being just a natural phenomenon of the market system, but only the owners of capital are allowed the market game vs. workers, not the other way round. How convenient.

That's how far the idiocy of the last thirty years have penetrated.


Again, everything we are seeing now is a direct consequence of ideologically (which is to say, illogically) driven politics, and all those that got their way in the matter can do is bitch and complain further.

Take a guess as to why any thinking person would push you as far away as possible from any decision making process hereon?


Screw the politics, I'm just tired of the incessant whining. The fact that Falwell and Limbaugh both got their rise to fame even in the Reagan/Bush years proves beyond doubt the large audience of whiners and their limitless capacity for bitching and crying in this country.


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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/23/2012 11:39:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverBoat

FR:

According to that often revered or dissed document, The Constitution of these United States of America, all revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives. The Senate can, of course, modify those bills, but Article 1 Section 6 quite explicitly defines the matter.

And, by the way, the rules about filibuster and cloture in the Senate are imposed on its own rules of order by its own members, and can be rescinded by simple majority votes.

...

The senate rules cannot violate the constitution which in any vote that requires a super majority removes the VP as tie-breaker. Senate rules such as we have now are simply used to protect the minority and a fairly small one. How nice when it comes to protecting my interest against the public interest.

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RE: The Do-nothing Senate - 1/24/2012 1:02:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
And the Democrats failed to get a budget, even when they controlled both chambers, and the President has not forced the issue.

This failure of leadership to meet the fundamental responsibilities of governmental power should be a constant theme in the campaign.


How did that deficit grow so large? And the US Debt on top of it? Back in George W. Bush's first time, the budget was put out of wack thanks to the 'Bush Era Tax Cuts'. In that first presidential term, and even half way through to the second term, who controlled Congress and the White House, Heretic? Republicans failed to balance the budget over and over again (they even failed to pass their 'Balanced Budget Admendment'). The US Debt rose faster and faster. So if your going to blame Democrats on the budget right now (given they dont control all of Congress).....where is the blame on the Republicans during the Bush Administration? And who voted for the Republicans to be in office at that time? YOU DID! So where is the 'personal responisbility and accountibility' with voting?

Fast forward to 'now', and we find House Republicans constantly pushing budget bills they KNOW will fail. How much money, Heretic, does it cost us taxpayers for a bill to be created, put into the House, voted in the House, and than sent to the Senate to be debated before its killed? Because its happen over two dozen times now. Don't you think....SOMEONE....in the House Republicans would have gone over to the Senate and asked "Hey guys, what do we ACTUALLY have to do to get this budget bill passed?" And then, after asking the question, DIDNT shut their brain off for the reply. After which, went back to the Hosue Republicans and said "Guys, we might just have to.....(tiny whisper voice) compromise with the Democrats. Why have Republicans not comprised with Democrats?

Right now Republicans have a much lower approval rating then Democrats. Americans are tired of the petty political games. Americans are dealing with a ton of problems, that Republicans are not even aware exist. Can you, Heretic, hold Republicans to the same level of accountibility and responsibility, as you lash at Democrats and the President?

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