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Georgia case - 1/24/2012 2:37:32 PM   
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So, lets talk about this case in Georgia.

Apparently it all started with an AP article...

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/20/4203280/ga-judge-orders-president-to-appear.html

ATLANTA -- A judge has ordered President Barack Obama to appear in court in Atlanta for a hearing on a complaint that says Obama isn't a natural-born citizen and can't be president.

It's one of many such lawsuits that have been filed across the country, so far without success. A Georgia resident made the complaint, which is intended to keep Obama's name off the state's ballot in the March presidential primary.

An Obama campaign aide says any attempt to involve the president personally will fail and such complaints around the country have no merit.

The hearing is set for Thursday before an administrative judge. Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi on Friday denied a motion by the president's lawyer to quash a subpoena that requires Obama to show up.



Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/20/4203280/ga-judge-orders-president-to-appear.html#storylink=cpy

Looking at the web site for the GA administrative court, it speaks about resolving disputes between the public and state agencies. Since this is a case about Obama appearing on the ballot in GA, I can see their standing.

What I dont understand is why they are insisting the Judge ordered Obama to appear.

According to the WH Obama wont be at the hearing. He will be out west.

The basis for this suit is here....

http://obamaballotchallenge.com/atlanta-weldon-obama-ballot-challenge-status-one-week-to-go

Our strategy is to keep it simple. The qualifications for President are that the candidate be:

a natural born Citizen
or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution (this no longer applies because there are no citizens that were alive at the time the Constitution was adopted),
and be the Age of thirty five Years,
and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
We concede Obama fulfills the last two qualifications. However, Obama can never fulfill the first qualification because his father was never a U.S. Citizen. Interestingly, the Senate website explaining these qualifications says,

“This… requirement raises the question of whether someone born to American parents outside of the United States would be eligible to hold the office.”

The official government website explaining the qualifications for President says that both parents must be “American”. It does not say “an American parent”. That the Congress has not pursued this issue is a travesty to our Constitution. Every member of Congress is a co-conspirator to the fraud being perpetrated on the American people.


Yet, the bolded part is not what the law states.

Anyone brave enough to take up the side of those filing the suit?

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 4:26:56 PM   
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Its a silly court case. Some conservative activist with NO real evidence, desires to cost the American taxpayer a huge lump of money to satify their ego. I find it amusing when conservatives bitch about goverment wasting our tax dollars, but then look the other way when its a conservative doing the wasting.

Mr. Obama is a citizen of the country, born in Hawaii just two years after the state joined the USA. Last I checked, if you were born in the USA, you were an American citizen. Curious that none of these birthers have gone after Mr. Romney who was born in Mexico....

...I wonder why?

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 4:30:01 PM   
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I am no political genius, so tell me what happens if some one does make a claim that he is not a citizen and it comes up he is not?

Does that undo the last 4 years?

I mean, what is the spectrum of possibilities? Beyond the afore mentioned wasting of money...

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 4:33:06 PM   
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Per snopes, the lawsuit is preposterous, and is based upon misreading a provision that applies ONLY to those born outside the US: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Makes sense.  Unless Georgia's eligibility requirement changed in the last four years, this should have been an issue THEN, not NOW.

That said, sitting Presidents are considered to be too busy to appear personally in court for almost everything, much less crap this trivial.  There is no reason to believe that his lawyer couldn't represent him, and the prospect of making prospectively fifty trips for this is ridiculous.

Obama will not show.  If the judge tries to rule against him by default, the decision will be appealed and the case will be won on appeal by Obama in absentia.  I suspect that Obama will win by write in even if he's not officially on the ballot, and those votes will win Georgia after he wins on appeal.  Worst case, he should have enough electoral votes even without Georgia.

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ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx

I am no political genius, so tell me what happens if some one does make a claim that he is not a citizen and it comes up he is not?



Then all the people who proved he was eligible four years ago will do it again.

Seriously, something about Obama has brought the loonies out of the woodwork.  There has been more ridiculousness about Obama than all other Presidents put together.


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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 4:55:34 PM   
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Lets take the supposition that he is lying. That he is found to have been not a natural citizen.

Play what if...

What happens?

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 4:57:05 PM   
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At worst, Romney will not run against Obama.

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:00:08 PM   
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xXLithiumXx:

"I am no political genius"



Your`re the target audience,Lith.


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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:01:47 PM   
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quote:

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At worst, Romney will not run against Obama.


I cant twist that part around.

How do you invalidate a whole presidency?

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:05:53 PM   
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quote:

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Lets take the supposition that he is lying. That he is found to have been not a natural citizen.

Play what if...

What happens?


Then everyone who ever opposed any Obama bills (think health care) launch furious suits to overturn those laws since his Presidency was invalid.  They likely will all be denied.  (Think of a sports game.  No matter how many wrong calls the refs made, once it's over, it's over.)

The challenges will get appealed to the SCOTUS, which will refuse to hear them, affirming the decisions at the state SC level.


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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:38:53 PM   
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Could they impeach on those grounds?

Im sorta browsing through other political forums and getting ideas.

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:38:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

xXLithiumXx:

"I am no political genius"



Your`re the target audience,Lith.




Okay, color me obtuse...I don't know what that means.

I mean, seriously, attempt to educate me here.

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:41:54 PM   
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Lith, what he is trying to say... at least I think it is... is that these people are feeding off those who do not know.

If your Senator tells you the moon is made of cheese, you would know him to be a liar.

But if he tells you that a bill proposed in Congress says "xyz" do you bother to check?

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 5:45:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Lith, what he is trying to say... at least I think it is... is that these people are feeding off those who do not know.

If your Senator tells you the moon is made of cheese, you would know him to be a liar.

But if he tells you that a bill proposed in Congress says "xyz" do you bother to check?



In all honesty, I would have no idea where to check. Politics has been something I have been hit or miss about, and only recently have I decided that it would be something I need to take a closer look at.

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 6:04:06 PM   
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if you want to know about a specific bill...

opencongress.com is one of the best ways to look up the actual bill and read it for yourself.

Or you can come here and we can hunt it down for you.

Well, others will have too. I have massive issues with hypocrisy and discovering just how hypocritical the moderators are here... well... take care everyone.

~smooches

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 7:03:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Could they impeach on those grounds?

Im sorta browsing through other political forums and getting ideas.


1. Obama is legal to be President.
2. If he were no longer President, he could not be impeached.  Impeachment is the beginning of an action to remove an officeholder from office.


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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 7:41:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Could they impeach on those grounds?

Im sorta browsing through other political forums and getting ideas.


1. Obama is legal to be President.
2. If he were no longer President, he could not be impeached.  Impeachment is the beginning of an action to remove an officeholder from office.




So....wait...If the "what if" were a real situation, they couldn't impeach him, because he had never held office? SO...he would be what? Stuck being president?

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 8:34:22 PM   
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quote:

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Seriously, something about Obama has brought the loonies out of the woodwork.  There has been more ridiculousness about Obama than all other Presidents put together.



I'd say it involves two things near and dear to the...er...hearts of the Radicals:

First: they had it all: White House, both houses of Congress, and the Courts ripe for the plucking - then Junior made such a hopeless ass of himself that the dear electorate turned on them. They're out for revenge against the Democrats and those who support them, which explains why they want to systematically trash every hint of social progress in the last 150 years; and,

Second: Obama is black.


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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 9:20:06 PM   
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quote:

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Seriously, something about Obama has brought the loonies out of the woodwork.  There has been more ridiculousness about Obama than all other Presidents put together.


Obama's skin color pushed a lot of racists over the edge of simmering hatred into sociopathic machinations. That's a significant chunk of the loonies, some of them openly, blatantly racist, some of them cleverly adept at 'coded' language and manipulative rhetoric.

Also, the religious, wealthy, mechantile, etc rightwing spent decades cultivating a groupthink paradigm of 'entitlement' for themselves; that they 'deserve' (due to moral, fiscal, etc superiority) to control the elections, government, behaviors, discussion, etc. Some of them still have delusional-disorders from {gasp} losing to Obama, or any Dems, for that matter.

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RE: Georgia case - 1/24/2012 10:35:54 PM   
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I was born in the back of a '48 Mercury (truthfully, on the way to the hospital; I've always been impatient), but it was in a private vehicle not on any state road or federal highway, just a city street.

Good thing I'm not running for prez these days.





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RE: Georgia case - 1/25/2012 1:37:42 AM   
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quote:

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I was born in the back of a '48 Mercury (truthfully, on the way to the hospital; I've always been impatient), but it was in a private vehicle not on any state road or federal highway, just a city street.

Good thing I'm not running for prez these days.




Hell, that beats a log cabin all hollow. You got my vote! Um...do you have a policy?

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