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flexiblemike -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/26/2012 9:22:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

I can't be the only one to notice how Obama's addresses are meant for the lowest common denominator. His most recent address was absolutely laughable and it was a low point in American politics.

Apparently, a couple of researchers from the University of Minnesota agree with me: Link.

"Obama's SOTU addresses have the lowest average Flesch-Kincaid score of any modern president; Obama owns three of the six lowest-scoring addresses since FDR."

No wonder why so many lefties think he's a great speaker! [:D]



You do realize that Flesch-Kincaid scores for SOTU speeches have been dropping consistently since FDR, which makes Obama part of the trend rather than an anomalously stupid.




popeye1250 -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/26/2012 11:45:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
The State of the Union is not meant to convince the opposing political party of the President's intention/beliefs/plans; it's meant to convince the American people of that.

This "dumbing down" isn't necessarily an indictment on Obama per-se, but rather that of the American public who have had their intelligence diminished with every generation.

If you find that to be the case, then what on earth did you possibly think while listening to Sarah Palin, or that completely illiterate former President Bush? I was embarrassed listening to both of them.

eta....embarrassed for them. Of course. And their followers. Sad.

Exactly. Palin and Bush, as well as Obama, represent exactly what I am talking about: the "dumbing down" of American politics as time marches on.


If President Obama REALLY wanted to dumb down Americans, he would just give a speech that required the listener to hold a bachlors degree. In other words, he would increase the language, structure and concepts to a detail far higher than 99% of conservatives could understand. It would sound like an alien language to all those conservatives; that afterward, they would complain that the President 'doesnt talk their language' and therefore, not fit to be President.

When was the last time, since this millennium started, have we seen a Republican give a highly detailed and deeply thought out concept to conservatives (i.e. economics, science, mathematics, literature)? One that addresses primary and secondary problems? And shows the information with foot notes in the event some conservatives actually wanted to check the information for being correct and factual? For example, giving a speech that explains the factual reasons why this country's deficit and debt are so high but also include reasonable and sane methods for getting both under control; and in the case of the US debt.....paid off in a reasonable amount of time?

Why should the President, or Congress or anyone else, need to dumb down information to a bunch of clueless morons that find Sarah Palin 'more qualified' than Mr. Obama to teach a class on the US Constitution (given the President IS a Constitutional lawyer...)?


Oh jeese, Joether, what did they teach you in college up there in Massachusetts?
Not history.
How many people do you know with bachelor's ( bachlors) "degrees" who are really smart?
If "anyone" can now get one then what are they worth anymore?
And how about law "degrees?" A lawyer once told me that , "every divorced woman who sold real estate in the day went to law school at night and became lawyers." We were talking about the "law" of supply and demand.
I want that speech to be a "report" to the American People on what the govt. is doing or not doing, give us an accounting on the financial books, do more of this, less of that. A Financial Audit! But,....they REALLY don't want to do that,....do they? It shouldn't be "political" at all!
And talk about "dumbed down", JFK really wasn't that smart, none of the Kennedys were. Old man Joe bought him a "degree" from Harvard! That's what rich people do. And if you have a "degree" from Harvard everyone thinks you're..... "smart" right?
And LBJ was a dope! Both of them voted against Eisenhower's Civil Rights Bill in 1957!
Look at President Pantload. He's been the beneficiary of "affirmative action" programs all his life.
People probably just automatically gave him "affirmative action" because they thought he needed it and now the lefties for whatever reason are "telling" us that he has an I.Q. of,.......(snare drum)...."162!"
He's half "white" too so shouldn't he only get "one half" of affirmative action?" The "white" half is getting something it shouldn't be getting.
And, he's never had a real job.
Just ask his college buddies,...if you can find any.
He's on third base and he thinks he hit a triple!




DomYngBlk -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 5:26:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

I can't be the only one to notice how Obama's addresses are meant for the lowest common denominator. His most recent address was absolutely laughable and it was a low point in American politics.

Apparently, a couple of researchers from the University of Minnesota agree with me:
Link.

"Obama's SOTU addresses have the lowest average Flesch-Kincaid score of any modern president; Obama owns three of the six lowest-scoring addresses since FDR."

No wonder why so many lefties think he's a great speaker! [:D]



He's no george w bush. I will grant you that




MrRodgers -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 5:43:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

I can't be the only one to notice how Obama's addresses are meant for the lowest common denominator. His most recent address was absolutely laughable and it was a low point in American politics.

Apparently, a couple of researchers from the University of Minnesota agree with me: Link.

"Obama's SOTU addresses have the lowest average Flesch-Kincaid score of any modern president; Obama owns three of the six lowest-scoring addresses since FDR."

No wonder why so many lefties think he's a great speaker! [:D]


...and we all know that the so-called Flesch-Kincaid score is where it's at and...just alright hey ?

More unmitigated partisan bullshit. He's 10 times the man of that hollow, blowhard, redneck, neocon cowboy from Texas, I believe we called w.




MrRodgers -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 5:45:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444

imo, he is just hoping that one of his phrases will be used by the press in their next headlines.. the next sound bite.. that one or even several will become quoted over and over.. you know.. like JFKs "ask not what your country.. etc etc"..
[sm=2cents.gif]

...except that was an inaugural address and stolen from Taft.




MrRodgers -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 5:46:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I liked the part where he wrapped it all up in a flag parable at the end. Wasn't that special?

THEY ALL do it...come on people, what's different about this man...the color of his skin ???




DomYngBlk -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 5:54:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I liked the part where he wrapped it all up in a flag parable at the end. Wasn't that special?


Typcial republican penis envy. He had the balls to actually go and get the fucker and somehow thats not special? Give me a fucking break. Bush had 7 years and never layed a hand on Al Queda. And we all know why.




MrRodgers -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:08:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The IRS publishes detailed tax tables by income level. The latest results are for 2009. They show that taxpayers earning an adjusted gross income between $100,000 and $200,000 pay an average rate of twelve percent. This is below Buffett’s rate; so she must earn more than that. Taxpayers earning adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 to $500,000, pay an average tax rate of nineteen percent. Therefore Buffett must pay Debbie Bosanke a salary above two hundred thousand.


...then how do you account for this ? 98,950 to 99,000 income 21,330 / 16,994 / 21,748 / 19,511 taxes directly from the tables and even the lowest of $16,994 is over 16%. Were taxes raised since 2009 ? That's the rate of taxes for everybody as 'adjusted gross income, not an average.

Among those with incomes of $100,000 or less, the median federal tax rate is about 18 percent, a study from the Congressional Research Service found. For those with incomes from $100,000 and $250,000 (for couples), the median tax rate is 25 percent. Above that, the median rate is about 30 percent.

Here




MrRodgers -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:15:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
quote:

ORIGINAL: provfivetine
The State of the Union is not meant to convince the opposing political party of the President's intention/beliefs/plans; it's meant to convince the American people of that.

This "dumbing down" isn't necessarily an indictment on Obama per-se, but rather that of the American public who have had their intelligence diminished with every generation.

If you find that to be the case, then what on earth did you possibly think while listening to Sarah Palin, or that completely illiterate former President Bush? I was embarrassed listening to both of them.

eta....embarrassed for them. Of course. And their followers. Sad.

Exactly. Palin and Bush, as well as Obama, represent exactly what I am talking about: the "dumbing down" of American politics as time marches on.


If President Obama REALLY wanted to dumb down Americans, he would just give a speech that required the listener to hold a bachlors degree. In other words, he would increase the language, structure and concepts to a detail far higher than 99% of conservatives could understand. It would sound like an alien language to all those conservatives; that afterward, they would complain that the President 'doesnt talk their language' and therefore, not fit to be President.

When was the last time, since this millennium started, have we seen a Republican give a highly detailed and deeply thought out concept to conservatives (i.e. economics, science, mathematics, literature)? One that addresses primary and secondary problems? And shows the information with foot notes in the event some conservatives actually wanted to check the information for being correct and factual? For example, giving a speech that explains the factual reasons why this country's deficit and debt are so high but also include reasonable and sane methods for getting both under control; and in the case of the US debt.....paid off in a reasonable amount of time?

Why should the President, or Congress or anyone else, need to dumb down information to a bunch of clueless morons that find Sarah Palin 'more qualified' than Mr. Obama to teach a class on the US Constitution (given the President IS a Constitutional lawyer...)?


Oh jeese, Joether, what did they teach you in college up there in Massachusetts?
Not history.
How many people do you know with bachelor's ( bachlors) "degrees" who are really smart?
If "anyone" can now get one then what are they worth anymore?
And how about law "degrees?" A lawyer once told me that , "every divorced woman who sold real estate in the day went to law school at night and became lawyers." We were talking about the "law" of supply and demand.
I want that speech to be a "report" to the American People on what the govt. is doing or not doing, give us an accounting on the financial books, do more of this, less of that. A Financial Audit! But,....they REALLY don't want to do that,....do they? It shouldn't be "political" at all!
And talk about "dumbed down", JFK really wasn't that smart, none of the Kennedys were. Old man Joe bought him a "degree" from Harvard! That's what rich people do. And if you have a "degree" from Harvard everyone thinks you're..... "smart" right?
And LBJ was a dope! Both of them voted against Eisenhower's Civil Rights Bill in 1957!
Look at President Pantload. He's been the beneficiary of "affirmative action" programs all his life.
People probably just automatically gave him "affirmative action" because they thought he needed it and now the lefties for whatever reason are "telling" us that he has an I.Q. of,.......(snare drum)...."162!"
He's half "white" too so shouldn't he only get "one half" of affirmative action?" The "white" half is getting something it shouldn't be getting.
And, he's never had a real job.
Just ask his college buddies,...if you can find any.
He's on third base and he thinks he hit a triple!

..and to think, I don't know of a single repub politician or wall street capitalist...that's had a real job. Neither Bush ever worked in private industry, they didn't have to when the old man Prescott Bush got clean away with presiding over a bank that laundered $3 million of Nazi money, and walked away with $1.5 million. Thus, the so-called Bush dynasty was born and from Nazi financing no less.




thishereboi -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:39:59 AM)

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..and to think, I don't know of a single repub politician or wall street capitalist...that's had a real job.


Here is one...

http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,4668,7-277-57579---,00.html

"Gov. Snyder earned his undergraduate degree, MBA and law degree from the University of Michigan - all by the age of 23. After teaching at the University of Michigan, he went to work as a tax accountant at Coopers & Lybrand - now PriceWaterhouseCoopers - where he made partner after only six years. He then joined the fledgling computer company Gateway and helped it grow from a little over 700 employees to a Fortune 500 company with more than 10,000 employees before leaving to form his own successful venture capital firm."

Sounds like he had a "real" job

and here is another...

http://www.ci.livonia.mi.us/Government/CityCouncil/CityCouncilBiographies/LauraMToy/tabid/631/Default.aspx

She co owned a florist for 30 years. Does that count as a "real" job?

That's just two off the top of my head. Maybe you just aren't looking or you think it's cute to play dumb like that.





Musicmystery -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:42:35 AM)

As long as you're selectively fact checking...

Obama worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama




thishereboi -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:47:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As long as you're selectively fact checking...

Obama worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


I wasn't fact checking. He said he didn't know any repubs that had a real job and it took me about a minute to pull out 2. Now if he had claimed he didn't know any dems that had real jobs, I would have pointed him in Obama's direction, but he didn't. I could also add that if it was a toss up between Snyder and Obama, Snyder wouldn't have a prayer. Job history or not, I think the guy is an idiot. But that would be a new thread topic.




Lucylastic -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:51:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The IRS publishes detailed tax tables by income level. The latest results are for 2009. They show that taxpayers earning an adjusted gross income between $100,000 and $200,000 pay an average rate of twelve percent. This is below Buffett’s rate; so she must earn more than that. Taxpayers earning adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 to $500,000, pay an average tax rate of nineteen percent. Therefore Buffett must pay Debbie Bosanke a salary above two hundred thousand.


...then how do you account for this ? 98,950 to 99,000 income 21,330 / 16,994 / 21,748 / 19,511 taxes directly from the tables and even the lowest of $16,994 is over 16%. Were taxes raised since 2009 ? That's the rate of taxes for everybody as 'adjusted gross income, not an average.



That was a quote from the forbes link to show that they had no figures to be making their assumptions from.
Nothing more:)
Not my words..




Musicmystery -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 6:53:32 AM)

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I wasn't fact checking.


I know. You were
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

selectively fact checking...

Just as easily could have countered the entire "never had a job" thing; you chose only a partisan one.





MrRodgers -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 7:06:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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..and to think, I don't know of a single repub politician or wall street capitalist...that's had a real job.


Here is one...

http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,4668,7-277-57579---,00.html

"Gov. Snyder earned his undergraduate degree, MBA and law degree from the University of Michigan - all by the age of 23. After teaching at the University of Michigan, he went to work as a tax accountant at Coopers & Lybrand - now PriceWaterhouseCoopers - where he made partner after only six years. He then joined the fledgling computer company Gateway and helped it grow from a little over 700 employees to a Fortune 500 company with more than 10,000 employees before leaving to form his own successful venture capital firm."

Sounds like he had a "real" job

and here is another...

http://www.ci.livonia.mi.us/Government/CityCouncil/CityCouncilBiographies/LauraMToy/tabid/631/Default.aspx

She co owned a florist for 30 years. Does that count as a "real" job?

That's just two off the top of my head. Maybe you just aren't looking or you think it's cute to play dumb like that.



The facts are...it is irrelevant and just more ridiculous partisan buuullll...shit.

There have many politicians form both sides that have spent their whole lives in academia or politics. I mean come on, W and Jeb both got 'jobs' paid from money borrowed only because of daddy's influence...through the SBA program. If I recall correctly...they together lost something like $4-$6 million of OUR tax money.

They had no business getting those loans having no experience whatsoever in the oil business and just makes the whole idea of what politicians did before they were politicians...ridiculous.

Does that help bring some perspective ? It should.




Musicmystery -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 7:16:52 AM)

Wow. You're being even sillier. You're all over the map here--lumping being in politics with academia, and then with the Bush's influence, an entirely different subject....

Tell you what. Why don't you give us a list of "approved" jobs you'd consider "real."





Owner59 -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 7:29:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I liked the part where he wrapped it all up in a flag parable at the end. Wasn't that special?


Typcial republican penis envy. He had the balls to actually go and get the fucker and somehow thats not special? Give me a fucking break. Bush had 7 years and never layed a hand on Al Queda. And we all know why.

The conservative democrats (like myself) love that he got bin-laden and his two hundred underlings.

Progressives(who still seem unimpressed) get healthcare insurance reform, the end of DADT and one war ended.

And what have the republicans offered?

What is the list of achievements that republicans can show for their time/pay?

He-he-he-he-he-he..............[:D]




thishereboi -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 8:55:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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I wasn't fact checking.


I know. You were
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

selectively fact checking...

Just as easily could have countered the entire "never had a job" thing; you chose only a partisan one.




I responded to the statement "..and to think, I don't know of a single repub politician or wall street capitalist...that's had a real job."

Now if you can't figure out why I chose repubs, then I can't help you. I suppose I could have done a search on wall street capitalists, but I don't know any of their names off the top of my head. And if you are so concerned with people being partisan, why didn't you call him on the original post?






thishereboi -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 8:56:49 PM)

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The facts are...it is irrelevant and just more ridiculous partisan buuullll...shit.


Yes, it was. So why did you say it in the first place?




Musicmystery -> RE: Dumb and Dumber: State of the Union Address (1/27/2012 9:21:40 PM)

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And if you are so concerned with people being partisan, why didn't you call him on the original post?


And this is my point. You called him on that, but let the previous ones fly.




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