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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Thank you, sir.

Regarding the Plame affair; however deeply I dug into it, I could not find any credible evidence against the fact that she was a CIA officer and under-cover operative running a counter-proliferation operation. The CIA will only allow that she worked for them, it being a classified operation making this understandable on their part. But her task in running the operation and the leaking of classified information by administration officials to the press are verified sufficiently enough that that is what the prosecutors and all other lawyers in the case are going on as they proceed with several law suits in the matter.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlan's (Heinlein) Razor.

Or, the original:

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Napoleon Bonaparte

There was plenty of stupidity and incompetence - and politics - involved with the entire Plame Affair, including hers, the CIAs, Armitage, The V-Ps office, and certainly and especially Joe Wilson.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

On July 7, the day after Wilson's original Times article, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer took back the 16 words, calling them "incorrect:"

Fleischer: Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect.

And soon after, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice acknowledged that the 16 words were, in retrospect, a mistake. She said during a July 11, 2003 White House press briefing:

Rice: What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now.

That same day, CIA Director George Tenet took personal responsibility for the appearance of the 16 words in Bush's speech:

Tenet: These 16 words should never have been included in the text written
for the President.

Tenet said the CIA had viewed the original British intelligence reports as "inconclusive," and had "expressed reservations" to the British.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

On July 7, the day after Wilson's original Times article, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer took back the 16 words, calling them "incorrect:"

Fleischer: Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect.

And soon after, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice acknowledged that the 16 words were, in retrospect, a mistake. She said during a July 11, 2003 White House press briefing:

Rice: What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now.

That same day, CIA Director George Tenet took personal responsibility for the appearance of the 16 words in Bush's speech:

Tenet: These 16 words should never have been included in the text written
for the President.

Tenet said the CIA had viewed the original British intelligence reports as "inconclusive," and had "expressed reservations" to the British.

Great Ron.

Not a word contradicts the Senate report that I quoted.

Wilson was - at best - a confabulator.  At worst he was a liar. 

Anyone basing their opinion on him, or anything he has said either hasn't done their homework, or wishes to believe something that is false.

Firm

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bradley manning, on the other hand, is absolutely a hero.

Well, that's one perspective. Another is that Bradley Manning is a sniveling little shit who violated his contract, and his oath,

What penality would you prescrbe for all of those who break their oath?

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How does it feel being deceived and manipulated?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Did Joe Wilson's "lies" cost Iraq over 100,000 civilian lives and US citizens over $3 trillion? Got another Republican led report on that question, like before? Are these the same people that told you that Val Plame was not running a counter-proliferation operation for the CIA (contrary to every creditably evidenced fact)?

Just curious.

If you are trying to tell us that telling the bigger lie is the way to go, there is certainly some bit of history to support that.

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The Breathtaking Hypocrisy of Julian Assange, Kremlin Pawn
1/25/2012 **** 12:07PM

Well yeah, all good Americans should be incensed over this.

I mean, the least he could have done was to find instead backing from, say, Saudi Arabia, home to and active supporter of the most radical sect of Islam, the Wahhabi, fount of an abundance of terrorist ideology (and action), with whom the US has an excellent relationship, or perhaps one of those Southern African dictatorships to whom we sell bazillions of $ in weaponry.

So yeah, damn that freakin' hypocrite.


Truly breathtaking.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Did Joe Wilson's "lies" cost Iraq over 100,000 civilian lives and US citizens over $3 trillion? Got another Republican led report on that question, like before? Are these the same people that told you that Val Plame was not running a counter-proliferation operation for the CIA (contrary to every creditably evidenced fact)?

Just curious.

If you are trying to tell us that telling the bigger lie is the way to go, there is certainly some bit of history to support that.

So you think it's ok to lie, as long as the reason is worthy?

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Firm
I don't know what your quote about Libby has to do with anything at all.

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How does it feel being deceived and manipulated?

Firm

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So you think it's ok to lie, as long as the reason is worthy?

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and horrible, thing is, all the information you could ever want on how fucked up these shitty fucking morons we've put in power is readily available through google if you take the time to care, so he sticks his neck out or whatever, SO FUCKING WHAT?