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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 6:08:31 PM   
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Actually, there was some snark.  Awareness made a pretty nasty comment, predictably.  I am assuming that is that the OP is referring to, not the people who stated a differing point of view.



I went back and looked, yeah, the comment you referred to wasn't very nice. I happen to agree with the sentiment but it wasn't an appropriate way to phrase things. If that was what she was referring to then she had a point.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 6:20:44 PM   
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I agree with some things posted here.

But I guess I should've put "MY OPINION" it big bold letters and I guess the "My way of seeing it.." didn't matter.

And I'm terribly sorry to all of those that I begged and dragged to your own computers, made you click on this post, tied you to the chair and made you read it. -.- (sarcasm, if those of you with your panties all in a bunch didn't catch that.) ;D

Once again, my way of seeing this. MY OPINION.


It's just your dumb luck (that or your cute pic again) that your topic's attracted 3 of probably CM's top 4 burnt-out cynics (male dom catagory) who I swear only post in a forlorn attempt to regain long lost relevance and potency. You've given them a stage to strut their stuff - bummer! lol

Good for you not to directly respond to their serial BS.

Focus.


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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 7:17:32 PM   
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For me, BDSM lifestyle is not just about sex. So many times I see or hear about this lifestyle being all about the sex. Having a Dom and submissive relationship requires a lot of things. Patience, trust, time, care, love, honesty, learning, teaching, finding likes/dislikes.

It's not just about sex for me, either, however BDSM in and of itself, is an activity (bondage, discipline, sado-masochism).  It's a sexual aspect of my relationship.

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 I don't like seeing people who are just like 'Looking for a Dom/sub relationship, sex, sex and sex.' 'Hey lets cam together so you can show me everything, then I'm going to forget about you.' 'Wanna hook up this weekend?'


I think people should do what works for them, and if the above is it, then I hope they enjoy the hell out of it.

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Most people look at the BDSM lifestyle as just a kinkier sex. Bondage, maybe some spanks here or there then lots of sex.


In my world, BDSM is about sex (see above).  It's part of an overall relationship which, of course, is not just about sex.

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It's sad when that is the first thing people think of when told about the BDSM lifestyle and having a Dom/sub.

Oh I think there are much bigger things in life to feel sad about - the way people look at BDSM is their own deal, and gives me no emotional reaction at all.

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No, a Dom/Domme is a protector, mentor, parent-like, therapist, teacher.

He is not at all my therapist.  As OsideGirl said, if I need a therapist, I see one (and I have).  He has elements of the other things you mentioned, though.

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 They care about their sub, about their subs feelings, their day, their problems. Patience when teaching or learning about their sub. They take the sub past what they think they're capable of, and works with them to achieve greater things.


I'm pretty aware of what I'm capable of, and when he's tried to push me past that, we have problems.  I know my own limitations, and we talk about them, and those that should be worked through, we work through together.  I do the work, he supports it.  We influence each other to achieve greater things.

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 They help the sub work through their insecurities, doubts, things that the sub wishes he/she could get over.

I did most of this work on my own before I met him.  But we work together on those things we both struggle with.
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They are, Master. Mistress. Dom. Domme. Daddy. Mommy. Sir. Miss.

It's a relationship, not a booty call.


Quite true for the Mister and I.

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Submissives accept their place in this relationship. The learner, the one who cares for the Dom/Domme, has trust in them, trust that the Dom/Domme will mold them the way they think is right and the way they want.

Nobody's molding me (sorry I hate that word lol).  We are growing together, in ways that are best for us as individuals and as a relationship.

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They have faith the relationship works, struggle through things they didn't think they could get through and works through it, someone who works hard, works through the pain and someone who has patience to learn. Trust and patience is a really big key here for a submissive.

Trust and patience is a big key for both parties.  Same with "vanilla" relationships, though.  But I don't have issues I don't think I can get through.  I've dug myself out of hell before - I can get through pretty much anything. The question is, will what he wants harm me?  If so, it's off the table.

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 They are putting their mind, body and soul into someones else's hands.

Nobody owns my soul - it's not mine to give away, but that's just my own spiritual belief.  My mind is my own, too - although he can surely influence it, and has.

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The submissive (possibly talking about the beginning and start of the relationship) shouldn't be waiting and anxious for the sex. The submissive should be anxious about the collar that he/she will be receiving from their Dom/Domme.


Actually I was dying for him to fuck me senseless, and told him I was allergic to collars.  After my last relationship, that kind of commitment was the last thing I wanted.  I was happy to be in a relationship with him, and enjoy the sex we have in it, but it took awhile for me to not recoil when a collar was mentioned.

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Receiving the collar. That's the greatest moment in a Dom/sub relationship. Not the sex. (even thought that's a nice part to it as well :P)

No, it wasn't our greatest moment.  It was a good moment, don't get me wrong, but we've had much more intense moments than that, which were not sex related.

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You B/both walk this journey together.


Agreed. The Mister and I are walking our path in life together.

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That's my opinion.. I guess I was frustrated enough to post about it. :P

Just my unsolicited advice, but I wouldn't give much energy to the way other people are conducting their endeavors.  If it's making them happy, then that's awesome.



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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:00:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Oh boy, another attempt to dress BDSM up as something it most of the time isn't. 







This guy...Every time he posts, I hear Eyore in my head. I swear I do. Or like that accountant stuffy nose guy with the glasses? I dunno his name. Not a clue.

But just this really groggy monotone voice.

And I just laugh. I can not help but crack the fuck up.

Aspergers anyone?

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:02:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Oh boy, another attempt to dress BDSM up as something it most of the time isn't. 







This guy...Every time he posts, I hear Eyore in my head. I swear I do. Or like that accountant stuffy nose guy with the glasses? I dunno his name. Not a clue.

But just this really groggy monotone voice.


Ben Stein.


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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:03:16 PM   
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Ben Stein?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:27:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeautifullyBrokn

I agree with some things posted here.

But I guess I should've put "MY OPINION" it big bold letters and I guess the "My way of seeing it.." didn't matter.

And I'm terribly sorry to all of those that I begged and dragged to your own computers, made you click on this post, tied you to the chair and made you read it. -.- (sarcasm, if those of you with your panties all in a bunch didn't catch that.) ;D

Once again, my way of seeing this. MY OPINION.

Take care. ^^

Layla. <3




I am going to say this, at the risk of losing points with the "cool kids" (not that I have any, but yanno, just in case...kinda like praying once in a while or something, I dunno...anyway...)...

It's your opinion, you are entitled to it, and never required to apologize for it.

I could be wrong ( I am a lot of the time, It's like a disease of some kind) but I think Jonathon Davis said "You laugh because I am different, I laugh because you are all the same." I tend to adhere to that, and I find that people will usually respect you more for being true to yourself, rather than following everyone around agreeing for the sake of agreeing. And yanno, if they don't...eh...fuck em. They are just words on a computer screen, and it's not like they are driving past your house in droves calling names (unless you are nyguy...whatever numbers...and then you have a gang of stalkers). So, whatever.

What you wrote, was beautifully written, and it is a -lovely- example of a world that simply does not exist. In that ideal world, every relationship, regardless of sexual kink or lack there of, would have that balance and that love that you speak of. But, we live in hell. So,in hell, you don't get so much of that.

But, regardless of that, it is your opinion and you are allowed to have it.





ETA-

Add humor where appropriate.



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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:31:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NyxPontia

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ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Oh boy, another attempt to dress BDSM up as something it most of the time isn't. 







This guy...Every time he posts, I hear Eyore in my head. I swear I do. Or like that accountant stuffy nose guy with the glasses? I dunno his name. Not a clue.

But just this really groggy monotone voice.


Ben Stein.





Thats the guy!

I freaking LOVE that guy.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:33:45 PM   
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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:39:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But…what is the difference between a BDSM relationship and a vanilla one? Both entail all the protector…mentor…and the rest you listed…But one does not usually entail bondage and discipline…dominance and submission and sadism and masochism which are most often associated with sexual excitement of one party or the other…and is the reason for the play.

So what I am saying is if there is no want or need for a vanilla like relationship then there is nothing wrong with describing BDSM as about sex.

Just an opposing opinion.

Butch


If your relationship is all about sex, then there is no problem with saying that. It's when you try to claim that all bdsm relationships are about sex that people call bullshit.


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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 8:42:30 PM   
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I am going to say this, at the risk of losing points with the "cool kids" (not that I have any, but yanno, just in case...kinda like praying once in a while or something, I dunno...anyway...)...

It's your opinion, you are entitled to it, and never required to apologize for it.

I could be wrong ( I am a lot of the time, It's like a disease of some kind) but I think Jonathon Davis said "You laugh because I am different, I laugh because you are all the same." I tend to adhere to that, and I find that people will usually respect you more for being true to yourself, rather than following everyone around agreeing for the sake of agreeing. And yanno, if they don't...eh...fuck em. They are just words on a computer screen, and it's not like they are driving past your house in droves calling names (unless you are nyguy...whatever numbers...and then you have a gang of stalkers). So, whatever.

What you wrote, was beautifully written, and it is a -lovely- example of a world that simply does not exist. In that ideal world, every relationship, regardless of sexual kink or lack there of, would have that balance and that love that you speak of. But, we live in hell. So,in hell, you don't get so much of that.

But, regardless of that, it is your opinion and you are allowed to have it.




I'm really glad you got something out of her words xXLithiumXx, I really didn't except for annoyance. You see her point of view as not being jaded, I'd rather be jaded. Then I won't be disappointed when people do the things that they do. Doesn't mean I'm not able to find beauty in the world or be surprised by moments of bliss....it just means that I have a more practical view of things and I like it that way. I'm also always ready to be surprised, I don't expect the worst from people, but I don't always expect the best either. When I get the best, it's a gift, not an expectation.

I'm not upset that others see things differently, I'm kind of glad they do, I just dont' have much use for the things that others 'think' should be meaningful to me. The wide-eyed idealistic thing isn't for me anymore, it brought me too much pain long ago. I'm done with it and glad for it. Life is much more peaceful and serene for me now that i get how things work.

Just another example of how things are indeed different for different folks. Carry on whoever wants to with the fairy tale view of things- glad it works for you.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 9:34:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lizi

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ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx


I am going to say this, at the risk of losing points with the "cool kids" (not that I have any, but yanno, just in case...kinda like praying once in a while or something, I dunno...anyway...)...

It's your opinion, you are entitled to it, and never required to apologize for it.

I could be wrong ( I am a lot of the time, It's like a disease of some kind) but I think Jonathon Davis said "You laugh because I am different, I laugh because you are all the same." I tend to adhere to that, and I find that people will usually respect you more for being true to yourself, rather than following everyone around agreeing for the sake of agreeing. And yanno, if they don't...eh...fuck em. They are just words on a computer screen, and it's not like they are driving past your house in droves calling names (unless you are nyguy...whatever numbers...and then you have a gang of stalkers). So, whatever.

What you wrote, was beautifully written, and it is a -lovely- example of a world that simply does not exist. In that ideal world, every relationship, regardless of sexual kink or lack there of, would have that balance and that love that you speak of. But, we live in hell. So,in hell, you don't get so much of that.

But, regardless of that, it is your opinion and you are allowed to have it.




I'm really glad you got something out of her words xXLithiumXx, I really didn't except for annoyance. You see her point of view as not being jaded, I'd rather be jaded. Then I won't be disappointed when people do the things that they do. Doesn't mean I'm not able to find beauty in the world or be surprised by moments of bliss....it just means that I have a more practical view of things and I like it that way. I'm also always ready to be surprised, I don't expect the worst from people, but I don't always expect the best either. When I get the best, it's a gift, not an expectation.

I'm not upset that others see things differently, I'm kind of glad they do, I just dont' have much use for the things that others 'think' should be meaningful to me. The wide-eyed idealistic thing isn't for me anymore, it brought me too much pain long ago. I'm done with it and glad for it. Life is much more peaceful and serene for me now that i get how things work.

Just another example of how things are indeed different for different folks. Carry on whoever wants to with the fairy tale view of things- glad it works for you.





-Nudges lizi and whispers-

Pst...sarcasm lovie. Sarcasm.


But you should really check into xanax.

You appear to be too young to be cynical like that.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 9:35:22 PM   
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I thought I edited that to add, Add humor where applicable or something to that effect, but I may not have...

I dunno...

But was intended though.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 9:48:27 PM   
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Yeah, thanks for sharing.  I'll call you when I give a shit about what you think.


For the record, here's another newb female post where the OP is catching flack, disproving your theory that we are only mean to the menz.
Bollocks.  She's getting discussion, not vilification.  A dude would've had the entire post picked to bits and would've been mocked soundly for at least 3 pages by now if he'd posted on "the way things are".  In fact, go and check posts where guys have done exactly that.


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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/27/2012 10:46:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Oh boy, another attempt to dress BDSM up as something it most of the time isn't. 







This guy...Every time he posts, I hear Eyore in my head. I swear I do. Or like that accountant stuffy nose guy with the glasses? I dunno his name. Not a clue.

But just this really groggy monotone voice.

And I just laugh. I can not help but crack the fuck up.

Aspergers anyone?


Whenever you post I cannot help but have my pupils directed to "Tsun Tzu." 

You Kentucky-types never fail to keep up appearances, I'll give you that.




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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/28/2012 7:39:14 AM   
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To the OP:
Gonna have to disagree entirely, "BDSM Lifestyle" is a life style that includes Bondage, Domination, Sadism, and Masochism.
There's no L, C or R. Falls back on the alphabet soup issue, making up stupid abbreviations for one's personal views. Anyway.

You know what you want in your life-style when it comes to relationships, and I think that is all that matters, for you.

For others they want entirely different things than you, and should never be considered lesser, or misdirected just because they don't feel the same way.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/28/2012 7:46:07 AM   
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Bollocks.  She's getting discussion, not vilification.  A dude would've had the entire post picked to bits and would've been mocked soundly for at least 3 pages by now if he'd posted on "the way things are".  In fact, go and check posts where guys have done exactly that.


Since I don't see things the way you do, please provide the examples.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/28/2012 7:51:12 AM   
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I think tharapist is fine, therapy often involves transference and is basically a PE dynamic - as long as you know it's the role of a highly unethical therapist, given that once that transference is achieved a therapist is ethically obligated not take advantage of it, whereas with D/S, that's pretty much the whole point.

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/28/2012 7:51:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeautifullyBrokn

I agree with some things posted here.

But I guess I should've put "MY OPINION" it big bold letters and I guess the "My way of seeing it.." didn't matter.

And I'm terribly sorry to all of those that I begged and dragged to your own computers, made you click on this post, tied you to the chair and made you read it. -.- (sarcasm, if those of you with your panties all in a bunch didn't catch that.) ;D

Once again, my way of seeing this. MY OPINION.

Take care. ^^

Layla. <3



You tell em girl!. Im over here with my claws out with ya.
I like more mental play, thats my game so thats my main love in this lifestyle. Makes it interesting. It was a great post and only my opinion counts.
DOnt pay attention to these meanies.
BTW I am making friends left and right on here. NOT. hahahaha

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RE: My way of seeing it... - 1/28/2012 9:36:21 AM   
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As others have been pointing out the BDSM part of the relationship has nothing to do with some of the qualities the OP was posting exclusively to a DBSM relationship as opposed to a vanilla one.

I am saying that it is perfectly alright to say a BDSM relationship could be strictly sexual or not...BDSM has nothing to do with that determination just as it has nothing to do with a vanilla one.

Butch

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