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Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers included.!!!! - 1/30/2012 8:28:13 AM   
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A Republican member of the Indiana General Assembly withdrew his bill to create a pilot program for drug testing welfare applicants Friday after one of his Democratic colleagues amended the measure to require drug testing for lawmakers.

"There was an amendment offered today that required drug testing for legislators as well and it passed, which led me to have to then withdraw the bill," said Rep. Jud McMillin (R-Brookville), sponsor of the original welfare drug testing bill.

The Supreme Court ruled drug testing for political candidates unconstitutional in 1997, striking down a Georgia law. McMillin said he withdrew his bill so he could reintroduce it on Monday with a lawmaker drug testing provision that would pass constitutional muster.

"I've only withdrawn it temporarily," he told HuffPost, stressing he carefully crafted his original bill so that it could survive a legal challenge. Last year a federal judge, citing the Constitution's ban on unreasonable search and seizure, struck down a Florida law that required blanket drug testing of everyone who applied for welfare.

McMillin's bill would overcome constitutional problems, he said, by setting up a tiered screening scheme in which people can opt-out of random testing. Those who decline random tests would only be screened if they arouse "reasonable suspicion," either by their demeanor, by being convicted of a crime, or by missing appointments required by the welfare office.

In the past year Republican lawmakers have pursued welfare drug testing in more than 30 states and in Congress, and some bills have even targeted people who claim unemployment insurance and food stamps, despite scanty evidence the poor and jobless are disproportionately on drugs. Democrats in several states have countered with bills to require drug testing elected officials. Indiana state Rep. Ryan Dvorak (D-South Bend) introduced just such an amendment on Friday.

"After it passed, Rep. McMillin got pretty upset and pulled his bill," Dvorak said. "If anything, I think it points out some of the hypocrisy. ... If we're going to impose standards on drug testing, then it should apply to everybody who receives government money."

Dvorak said McMillin was mistaken to think testing the legislature would be unconstitutional, since the stricken Georgia law targeted candidates and not people already holding office.

McMillin, for his part, said he's coming back with a new bill on Monday, lawmaker testing included. He said he has no problem submitting to a test himself.

"I would think legislators that are here who are responsible for the people who voted them in, they should be more than happy to consent," he said. "Give me the cup right now and I will be happy to take the test."



It will be interesting to see what the bill looks like when its been"amended"


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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 8:36:32 AM   
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"After it passed, Rep. McMillin got pretty upset and pulled his bill," Dvorak said. "If anything, I think it points out some of the hypocrisy. ... If we're going to impose standards on drug testing, then it should apply to everybody who receives government money."

Dvorak said McMillin was mistaken to think testing the legislature would be unconstitutional, since the stricken Georgia law targeted candidates and not people already holding office.

McMillin, for his part, said he's coming back with a new bill on Monday, lawmaker testing included. He said he has no problem submitting to a test himself.


Oh, this should be quite interesting.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 8:39:37 AM   
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Thats what I thought, there is a link to the bill, before it was "pulled"
http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2012&session=1&request=getBill&doctype=HB&docno=1007

It will be interesting to see the change that makes it palatable.


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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 8:59:00 AM   
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I hope it gets passed and then challenged. It's a legislation SO FLAWED it's disgusting. Besides the 5th Amendment issues, it fails to include ethanol metabolite testing. EVEN THE BIGGEST IDIOT IN THE WORLD surely knows by now that ALCOHOL ABUSE in the MOST PREVALENT destructive force, by a very wide margin.



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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:02:59 AM   
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Wasn`t one of newty`s promises in the Contract On .....err....With America that all laws would apply to lawmakers?



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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:25:39 AM   
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Wasn`t one of newty`s promises in the Contract On .....err....With America that all laws would apply to lawmakers?


I believe it was. In fact, I KNOW it was.
And I wonder how we dodged the hit,,. are we like in the Witness protection program now?



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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:28:25 AM   
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Time for some op. research......




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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:28:38 AM   
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I, it fails to include ethanol metabolite testing.


I agree with you about the damaging effects of alcohol (Hell, some say I'm living proof).

Alcohol metabolites are CO2 and Water. That's it. You can't just test for that.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:29:29 AM   
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We could time the pees and take a reasonable guess.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:37:04 AM   
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Or just test every 4 hours or so......they are working for us after all and using GOP logic on voter fraud, wouldn`t just one boozed up lawmaker...............be one to many?

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:38:17 AM   
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If one should vote on their inclusion in the teachers union every year, I think that your proposal of every 4 seems reasonable.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:39:10 AM   
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mandatory breathtesting entering a public building(ALL staff)
mandatory pee testing every month(all staff)
mandatory bloody testing every three months.(all staff)



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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:40:25 AM   
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Or just test every 4 hours or so......they are working for us after all and using GOP logic on voter fraud, wouldn`t just one boozed up lawmaker...............be one to many?

Myself, I'd much rather have a pissed up Churchill in number ten than a clean and sober Cameron, but that's just me.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:40:33 AM   
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Alcohol metabolites are CO2 and Water. That's it. You can't just test for that.


Not exactly, read this:

http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/documents/services/etg_faq.pdf

They have been using these tests in family courts for a while now. And they are starting to realize that for the prize of custody, many women and men willing to do strategic dry drunks, so there's a lot of child welfare agencies demanding hair tests. The swab test is good for about a 4 day span realistically. The hair test gives you a multi-month history.



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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:42:23 AM   
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I wonder if that's why you see so many male slaves with shaved heads? They don't want Mistress to know that they're sneaking the occasional drink...

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:43:09 AM   
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oh add the hair test!!! wonder if thats just head hair, or pubic hair carries the same ?

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:44:37 AM   
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Might as well have them get  a voter id while there, so we can insure that they are constitutionally eligible to take the piss and hair tests every four hours.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:44:59 AM   
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Maybe they could wear a breathalyser 24/7, with an alarm that goes up if it picks up any alcohol as well...

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:46:36 AM   
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Perhaps a blowmeter like in cars, so they cant vote on stupid fucking bills without passing the test, then we know they haven't any excuses.

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RE: Drug testing bill gets pulled when Lawmakers includ... - 1/30/2012 9:53:09 AM   
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Maybe they could wear a breathalyser 24/7, with an alarm that goes up if it picks up any alcohol as well...

seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Wheres the temperance society when you need them

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