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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 1:58:05 PM

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I applaud the teen's thought/gesture, but unfortunately... the school has RULES.

EXAMPLE: Most schools have RULES against certain attire. Now, assume a teen was pro-life, for example, and wanted to wear a T-Shirt with a picture of an aborted baby and the words, "ABORTION KILLS LIVES!!!" on it. Said teen would also have good intentions, but the T-Shirt would violate the school's dress code -- i.e., RULES.

The school's RULES trump the teen's cause -- however well intentioned said cause may be.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:02:34 PM

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If this thread had been created by a different poster, their attitudes would be totally different.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:12:58 PM

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I applaud the teen's thought/gesture, but unfortunately... the school has RULES.

EXAMPLE: Most schools have RULES against certain attire. Now, assume a teen was pro-life, for example, and wanted to wear a T-Shirt with a picture of an aborted baby and the words, "ABORTION KILLS LIVES!!!" on it. Said teen would also have good intentions, but the T-Shirt would violate the school's dress code -- i.e., RULES.

The school's RULES trump the teen's cause -- however well intentioned said cause may be.

Such garments would be inappropriate for any student, male or female to wear. This is about hairstyle, not dress code (clothing). If a hairstyle isn't offensive on a female, it's not offensive on a male either. To say otherwise is sex discrimination. If this academy is a private "Christian" school I wonder if they ban all pictures of Jesus that show him with long hair.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:14:42 PM

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If this thread had been created by a different poster, their attitudes would be totally different.

If the thread had a subject line that instead wanted to debate the merits of gender specific dress codes instead of the fabricated plight you described, the thread might have gone a different way.

Imagine that.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:30:48 PM

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You are so mean Stef. Don't you know that feel-good feelings and self-expression are much more important than an education? Sheesh!

Indeed. And why let the truth get in the way of a "fighting the man" rant.

So. . . If I know someone that needs a kidney transplant, I could kill a person with a transplant match in order to donate a kidney. I know that killing someone is against the rules. . . but I really want to donate.

Killing is against the law.

Wearing hair long is against the rules.

There is a massive difference here.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:33:29 PM

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The plight is as gender specific as the discriminatory hairstyle code. Had a girl with short hair wanted to grow her hair to donate to locks of love, there would have been no suspension.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:37:50 PM

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They didn't say he couldn't grow it out. They said he had to stick some gel in it to get it out of his eyes. So what's his objection to that?

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:42:05 PM

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Do girls also have to wear gel in their hair to keep it out of their eyes and above their ears?

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:45:30 PM

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The picture I saw was of a young man with neat hair. Its combed, cut and shiny clean. I could see the uproar if it was matted, or tangled, or a snarled mess.

Maybe instead of worrying about how the kids look, they should worry about how they learn.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 2:46:09 PM

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I applaud the teen's thought/gesture, but unfortunately... the school has RULES.

EXAMPLE: Most schools have RULES against certain attire. Now, assume a teen was pro-life, for example, and wanted to wear a T-Shirt with a picture of an aborted baby and the words, "ABORTION KILLS LIVES!!!" on it. Said teen would also have good intentions, but the T-Shirt would violate the school's dress code -- i.e., RULES.

The school's RULES trump the teen's cause -- however well intentioned said cause may be.

This is about hairstyle, not dress code (clothing).

I believe "hairstyle" falls under the category of "dress code" for most schools who have such rules.

I'm not looking to fight with you, DBG, and have already stated I applaud the teen's thought/gesture. However, said teen's "cause" does not trump the RULES that were agreed to prior to enrollment/attendance to the school. Any organization is FREE to set their own rules, just as those who wish to be included in said organization (or not) are FREE to abide by said rules, or go elsewhere.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 4:01:20 PM

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If a hairstyle isn't offensive on a female, it's not offensive on a male either. To say otherwise is sex discrimination.

Okay. Let's keep everything straight.

1. He wants to grow his hair long.
2. The school agrees with that, but imposes restrictions on it.
3. He refuses to abide by those restrictions.

I don't see an issue. He's decided that not keeping his hair in accordance with the rules is more important than getting an education, which I flat disagree with.

DBG, you are correct that this is sex discrimination. Sorta. Obviously, dress and hair codes are different by gender - boys will be prohibited from wearing skirts and dresses, for example, which would be acceptable for girls. Calling it sex discrimination makes it sound consequential, which in this case it isn't.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 4:43:21 PM

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good god this is more than ridiculous,good luck to the school administrator who would have tried to tell me to cut my hair when I was growing up.Sorry,its my fucking hair and I will wear it however the fuck I want to.
End of story.

That's fine, but did your school have entrance requirements and a dress code that you had agreed to prior?

This really isn't about "hair". It is about keeping your word. This child goes to a school that has entrance requirements and a dress code, both of which he and his family agreed to abide by. Had he not agreed, I'm pretty sure his enrollment in said school would have been declined. Now he thinks that just because he believes in his "cause" that the rules no longer apply.

This is no different from a school which has a dress code rule against t-shirts proclaiming political messages and a student wearing a pro-life t-shirt with a picture of bloody, dismembered fetus.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 4:46:07 PM

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I feel sorry for this young man when he is out and on his own. Will he tell his future employer he will not get a haircut for whatever reason ? Will his mommy go along to his job interview then to support her son ? I support the school on this one. If he wants to grow his hair, wait a year until he gets his diploma, if he manages to graduate and then grow it as long as he wants to.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 5:03:34 PM

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good god this is more than ridiculous,good luck to the school administrator who would have tried to tell me to cut my hair when I was growing up.Sorry,its my fucking hair and I will wear it however the fuck I want to.
End of story.

That's fine, but did your school have entrance requirements and a dress code that you had agreed to prior?

This really isn't about "hair". It is about keeping your word. This child goes to a school that has entrance requirements and a dress code, both of which he and his family agreed to abide by. Had he not agreed, I'm pretty sure his enrollment in said school would have been declined. Now he thinks that just because he believes in his "cause" that the rules no longer apply.

This is no different from a school which has a dress code rule against t-shirts proclaiming political messages and a student wearing a pro-life t-shirt with a picture of bloody, dismembered fetus.

From what I can see, he is protesting the decision, exercising his rights. The school, of course, can refuse. Then it remains to be seen if this issue goes to court.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 5:18:44 PM

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As a parent that has had this conversation with a school board I don't see what the big issue is. Part of my family is native american and when my son grew his hair out(it hung below the middle of his back) The school said he should cut it too. We came to compromise that if he wanted long hair that while he was in school it would be combed back, pulled into a pony tail at the nap of his neck and tucked into the back of his shirt. I didn't see here where anyone told the boy he had to cut his hair, just keep it out of his face. If he really wants to grow it long there is a compromise for when he is in school.

*on a side note* I don't see this as a gender issue. I had a principal that told me to keep my hair out of my face all the time way back when I was in school.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 5:26:28 PM

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"You there! Stop that!"

No one ever changed anything by doing what he is told. If you want to see a change, you gotta be it. The kid is alright.

Those who worry about his education are overlooking the lessons being taught. To everyone involved and all of the standers by. And there are other schools.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 6:23:24 PM

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If he and his mommy don't like the rules of this school, he should move to another school.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 6:25:07 PM

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If he and his mommy don't like the rules of this school, he should move to another school.

Im sure this is the same advice you would give a student who was told they could not do something because of color, or sex, or orientation. The school may be private, they still have to operate within certain laws.

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 6:30:14 PM

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The school said he should cut it too. We came to compromise that if he wanted long hair that while he was in school it would be combed back, pulled into a pony tail at the nap of his neck and tucked into the back of his shirt.

I dont know the objection the boy has to the compromise. Looking at his photo, his hair isnt long enough to pull back... so how does he keep it off the collar?

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RE: cancer survivor suspended for wanting to donate - 1/30/2012 6:35:44 PM

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I know what his objection is. If he combs it back or in time ponytails it than it will not match the style of haircut that so many teen boys have now.

As for the off the collar thing. I would be willing to bet if he pulls it down and back(when it is long enough) they will let him tuck it into his shirt. The problem with doing that(or so my son says) is it gets hot and it is annoying. But I'm sure if my son can decide at nine years old if he really wants long hair or not so can this boy.

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