FrostedFlake
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ORIGINAL: coyotesub315
I have a problem with the question posed by the OP. It asks for proof for something that is a matter of faith.
The existence of God ( under any name you choose) is something that can not be proven, it is a matter of faith. Faith is for those things we choose to believe, or not believe, that there is no evidence for. Statements of other faithful do count as evidence. You can not prove an article of faith using the scientific method, when you ask if God exists you are asking someone's opinion of something that they will never be able to back up with facts.
That being said, yes, I believe in God. But I can not prove his or her existence to you.
I am sorry to have to point out that Coyotesub has it backwards. The existence of a creator is demonstrated by the existence of creation. Even if it was random chance, Those dice came from somewhere, somehow at some point got rolled and got got rolled some where. Take it back as far as you want. SOMETHING created the universe. It is the nature of and not the existence of the creator that is subject to debate and to definition and thus, if one is to derive a definition of deity, because it is intrinsically unknowable, faith is a requirement. In fact, there is no requirement BUT faith. And that is why so much is made of this essentially senseless concept. Faith is and is no more than the belief in what one desires to believe in. Just as Coyotyesub put it.
To give an example of what I am pointing at, I give you the Cathar Crusades.
http://www.cathar.info/1201_beliefs.htm
The Cathar Crusades were fought, over the course of forty years (excluding the subsequent inquisition), between the Christians (the good guys) and the Christians (The bad guys). Who was actually who is more than a little confusing. Until you notice who had the money. The Cathars were that sect that followed the gospel of John and the philosophy of Plato and practiced a form of asceticism and dogoodery that scandalized the sect known as the Catholics, who followed the gospel of Peter and the philosophy of Aristotle, because they practiced a form of politics that was both bloody and grasping. The essential point was that the Cathars (Damn them ALL to HELL!) showed by thier example just how far from Christs teaching and example the Catholics had strayed. This left the Catholics but two options other than addmitting to being fuck-ups. They could either stop killing everyone that got in thier way and give back the money. Or they could wipe the Cathars of the face of the earth. And so in the name of God they did. While promising all the dregs of humanity who lifted sword in that 'holy' cause, remission of sin (another weird concept) and a seat at Gods table. Natually, having both the ill-gotten gains to buy armies and the inclination to do just that, the Catholics wiped that Cathars out. And that is why the Catholics are the good guys.
Coming round to my point, Neither Catholic nor Cathar had a monopoly on truth. Each of them worshiped (another weird word) a God they defined according to the wish of their hearts. They worshiped a reflection of themselves. They, in essence, worshiped themselves. If there is indeed a true religion then by that fact there can be only one. On this planet alone there are thousands and if you will count the defunct religions, millions of religions, only one of which could possibly be right. If one star in a million ever hosts a species capable of noticing God, then there are millions of billions of other Worlds each with millions of religions of their own, all of them wrong save one. If, indeed there is, has ever been or ever will be a twue religion anywhere, anywhen.
Yet. The mere existence of God is undoubtable. And that is not what we kill each other over.
I have said before and now say again, if religion were a form of learning instead of a form of politics, theologians would travel the world to talk to one another. To share ideas, thoughts and facts. To come together to collectively enjoy the knowledge contributed by each. Rather than send in their stead armies with divine justice in their right hands and remission of sin in their left
No. There is nothing wrong with the picture. It's you that is wrong.
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