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lizi -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:12:29 PM)

I can personally vouch for Melatonin as Kalikshama recommended. I take it at night about an hour before I want to fall asleep and darned if I'm not fighting to keep my eyes open. It is a natural substance produced in our bodies that works within the sleep cycle. I honestly didn't ever think it would work for some reason, and I tried it, and I have to say it works like a charm. Try it.



Duskypearls -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:23:25 PM)

Lilbear, I've found the "Equate" brand of doxylamine (antihistimine) sleep aid the only thing that gets me down, and doesn't make me drowsy in the a.m.



shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:34:26 PM)

Just a couple of other things real quick then I'm going to raid my stash of tea and take a hot bath.

Frequently I will have night sweats no matter how cool I keep the room. I lived with someone for awhile that kept the window open even in the middle of winter and I would still wake up sweating like a scared horse. My dr doesn't have an answer for me though and it's really annoying. Any ideas on how to deal with that will also be welcome.

I do have a milder form of bi-polar that I'm on meds for, but that doesn't affect my sleep very often. The difference there is that if I'm on an upswing, I don't feel tired at all and I have a lot of energy. Most of the time my problem is being drop dead tired, no energy whatsoever, but not being able to sleep.

One other thing that I know makes me resist going to sleep is that I have the weirdest, craziest dreams, most of the time being so intense and vivid that it feels incredibly real. It gets to the point of being so intense that I don't want to sleep to avoid the dreams. Much too in-depth to go into here, but I'm more than willing to anyone about it that wants to. Just message me on the other side. I have some theories about why I have some of the dreams that I do, and really would like to talk to someone that has experience with the psychological and/or spiritual aspects of dreams.



shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:35:40 PM)

Daddy just told me that he likes that idea, so I will definately be looking into that.
quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi

I can personally vouch for Melatonin as Kalikshama recommended. I take it at night about an hour before I want to fall asleep and darned if I'm not fighting to keep my eyes open. It is a natural substance produced in our bodies that works within the sleep cycle. I honestly didn't ever think it would work for some reason, and I tried it, and I have to say it works like a charm. Try it.





shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:42:37 PM)

I've done that too, but just like the benedryl, I develope a resistance to it. My body builds up a resistance to most meds, prescription or otc, including pain meds. Daddy doesn't want me depending on meds to help me sleep anyway, so I need to find other things that work.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

Lilbear, I've found the "Equate" brand of doxylamine (antihistimine) sleep aid the only thing that gets me down, and doesn't make me drowsy in the a.m.




Kirata -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:42:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: shylilbear

I tend to have a lot of trouble falling asleep... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

When I used to be unable to fall asleep it was because, no matter how tired I might be physically, my mind was going. It wasn't even that I necessarily had something particular on my mind, sometimes it was just running on autopilot, jumping from thought to thought. You can train your mind to settle, however, if you spend a little time every day just sitting quietly and following your breath (a practice called "mindfulness meditation"). It's not as easy as it sounds, at least not at first. Your mind is quick to wander. But if that's the problem you're facing, you will find it a rewarding practice in more ways than you might expect.

K.



shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:47:55 PM)

Good luck! I am very interested in hearing how it turned out. I have also tried prescription stuff with the same results you had. Both my medical dr and my psych med provider that I currently have won't give me anything because of the risk of dependency. I keep asking them what's worse? Being dependent on it, or being totally non functional because I'm so dang tired all the time?? Apparently they think being dependent on sleep aids is worse.
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

ha...I've tried absolutely everything I could think of that wasn't prescribed. Not a single thing has ever worked. I removed caffeine, I don't have a tv in my room or anything at all. I did everything everyone has suggested to me and nothing has worked. I would try reading but like you, the moment I put down the book I'm wide awake again.

Sooo...I finally went to see a dr about it. We've tried one medication after another. They either made me ill or didn't do a damn thing....

So now tonight I start a new one. I haven't taken it yet but will in a few minutes. It's called Somnote. It's a drug they use to sedate patients before surgery. According to her if this doesn't work nothing will.

I'll report back tomorrow. Wish me luck.






shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:53:32 PM)

I am actually very familiar with mindfullness meditation. Although it is a technique I use, I admit that I don't do it often or regularly enough. There is also a little device called Stress Eraser that I want to look into. It's kind of a little bio-feedback device that helps you see how you can slow your heart rate down with breathing techniques, which naturally has the effect of calming and relaxing you. It's pretty fascinating actually lol.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: shylilbear

I tend to have a lot of trouble falling asleep... Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

When I used to be unable to fall asleep it was because, no matter how tired I might be physically, my mind was going. It wasn't even that I necessarily had something particular on my mind, sometimes it was just running on autopilot, jumping from thought to thought. You can train your mind to settle, however, if you spend a little time every day just sitting quietly and following your breath (a practice called "mindfulness meditation"). It's not as easy as it sounds, at least not at first. Your mind is quick to wander. But if that's the problem you're facing, you will find it a rewarding practice in more ways than you might expect.

K.




Duskypearls -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 9:57:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: shylilbear

Just a couple of other things real quick then I'm going to raid my stash of tea and take a hot bath.

Frequently I will have night sweats no matter how cool I keep the room. I lived with someone for awhile that kept the window open even in the middle of winter and I would still wake up sweating like a scared horse. My dr doesn't have an answer for me though and it's really annoying. Any ideas on how to deal with that will also be welcome.

I do have a milder form of bi-polar that I'm on meds for, but that doesn't affect my sleep very often. The difference there is that if I'm on an upswing, I don't feel tired at all and I have a lot of energy. Most of the time my problem is being drop dead tired, no energy whatsoever, but not being able to sleep.

One other thing that I know makes me resist going to sleep is that I have the weirdest, craziest dreams, most of the time being so intense and vivid that it feels incredibly real. It gets to the point of being so intense that I don't want to sleep to avoid the dreams. Much too in-depth to go into here, but I'm more than willing to anyone about it that wants to. Just message me on the other side. I have some theories about why I have some of the dreams that I do, and really would like to talk to someone that has experience with the psychological and/or spiritual aspects of dreams.


Try mixing up a small sleep bag made of equal parts of mugwort, lavender and rose petals, and put it under your pillow. I have found it extremely helpful in the disturbing dream department. Might be worth a shot.



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 10:09:54 PM)

Try being ordered to bed...

Every night when i had more issues with sleeping then i do now, i got a call every night at bed time with "Pet, I love you, Now close your eyes go to sleep and rest well or Ill be disappointed"

Worked like a charm...



littlewonder -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 10:29:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: shylilbear

Good luck! I am very interested in hearing how it turned out. I have also tried prescription stuff with the same results you had. Both my medical dr and my psych med provider that I currently have won't give me anything because of the risk of dependency. I keep asking them what's worse? Being dependent on it, or being totally non functional because I'm so dang tired all the time?? Apparently they think being dependent on sleep aids is worse.
quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

ha...I've tried absolutely everything I could think of that wasn't prescribed. Not a single thing has ever worked. I removed caffeine, I don't have a tv in my room or anything at all. I did everything everyone has suggested to me and nothing has worked. I would try reading but like you, the moment I put down the book I'm wide awake again.

Sooo...I finally went to see a dr about it. We've tried one medication after another. They either made me ill or didn't do a damn thing....

So now tonight I start a new one. I haven't taken it yet but will in a few minutes. It's called Somnote. It's a drug they use to sedate patients before surgery. According to her if this doesn't work nothing will.

I'll report back tomorrow. Wish me luck.






Well, I can give you a report now. I was told to take it 15-30 mins before I planned to go to sleep. That was over an hour ago and here I am...wide awake. [8|] It didn't do a single thing at all. It's like I never even took it.

And because of it's supposed potency I'm told it's too dangerous to take two by my dr. UGH. So back to the drawing board.




xXLithiumXx -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (1/31/2012 10:43:04 PM)

Melatonin is good, I have taken it in the past and it worked, but the kind you get at Wal Mart is in low dosage, so you may want to start off low and add to it as you go. Another method my mom uses is Valerian Root. It smells like stink bait, so it's vile, but if you lay it out about 10 minutes before you take it, it helps considerably.

Valerian Root helped me more than the Melatonin, but I also have a slight case of ADD, so insomnia is a very close friend of mine.

I told a girl friend of mine today that sometimes you just have to ride it out, but that gets tricky when you get sleepy during the day and want to nap. If you nap, you won't sleep at night, if you don't sleep at night you want to nap. It's horribly circular.

You have my sympathy and I wish you much luck.



xxblushesxx -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 2:55:44 AM)

Benadryl has worked well for both HM and myself for years.
It's a little cheesy, but I kinda like listening to this guy.
I also used to read some really horrible, boring books. That sometimes works.



kalikshama -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 7:31:19 AM)

quote:

Are you getting enough exercise during the day? (Don't exercise too close to bedtime.)


I didn't see an answer on this...



kalikshama -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 7:43:07 AM)

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as soon as I put the book down, shut the light off and close my eyes, I'm wide awake again.


Me too, so I use a light on a timer which I set for 30 minutes. The first time the light shuts off I get up and pee one last time and by the second time I'm asleep. I try to position my hands while reading so the book will fall backwards.

When I bought mine in 2005 it was considerably cheaper. I see they have added light therapy for SAD. You're in Washington, so may be worth the cost - hit Daddy up for a Valentine's Day present ;)

Of course there will be other brands but this is the only one I can recommend.

[image]http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/hpc/detail-page/B000S5X5U4-1-sm.jpg[/image]

A Host of Benefits

Useful for insomnia, fitful sleep, and difficulties waking in the morning, the PER3's naturalistic dawn simulation therapy has no negative side effects. This attractive lamp enables you to support the body's natural processes and combat the stress associated with modern and hectic 24/7 schedules. PER3's swivel arm and pivot head features allow you to easily adjust the direction of the LED light so you can receive your light treatment as soon as you wake up, bathing the face evenly in therapeutic light.

Other great benefits:

* Twice as effective at reversing SAD symptoms, thanks to naturalist dawn simulation therapy and bright light therapy
* Eliminates the 30 minutes necessary for conventional morning light therapy
* No UV rays; powered by solely non-invasive technology
* Long lasting (up to 100,000 hours)
* Energy efficient (consumes only 1/10 the power of incandescent lights)
* As portable and versatile as an alarm clock or reading lamp

Clinical Study Conclusions
Case studies using a combination of dawn and dusk signals are very promising. These signals can help produce smoother sleep onset. Researchers at Columbia University Medical School conclude: "Twilight exposure appears able to promote circadian phase adjustments, morning melatonin suppression, regularized sleep patterns, and antidepressant responses."

Accolades for PER3's Delux Light Therapy Lamp
PER3 has been singled out by doctors at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston as being "best of breed" when recommending light therapy to their patients with SAD.



OsideGirl -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 7:48:40 AM)

I had insomnia for about two years. The kind where I fall asleep and then wake up at 3am and can't back to sleep. Two things changed that:

1) I started taking a liquid vitamin called Passion 4 Life.

2) I reduced the consumption of simple carbs. Pretty much, unless it's dairy, I don't eat white stuff.

Now the only reason I wake up is if I have to go to the bathroom.



GreedyTop -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 8:01:34 AM)

Mom sent me some stuff.

Among them, suggestions to help you sleep.

1.) Sandalwood's aroma eases worry and reduces insomnia. It contains santalol, a molecule in the essential oil with proven sedative powers. Apply 2 drops of essential oil to your wrist before bed. It will be absorbed into your bloodstream and travel to your nervous system, easing anxiety within minutes.

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySNhHVAokQ

3.) 8-12oz mug of hot cocoa each evening (it revs up the brains serotonin output for about 7 hrs).

4.) Shankhpushpi ( a flowering herb from Aisa) (available in healthfood stores, amazon.com, or herbspro.com)

5.) Rock yourself. Either in a rocking chair, or by sitting on the floor with bent knees. Wrap your arms tightly around your knees and gently rock back and forth.

6.) As you lie in bed, inhale through your nose while touching your tongue to the roof of your mouth. Then exhale through your mouth, letting your tongue drop back down. Repeat for 2-3 mins.


EDITED TO ADD A CAVEAT: I have not yet tried any of these (although I did listen with half an ear to the youtube clip). Apparently some British researchers have claimed it's the most relaxing tune, or something. I've put the clippings mom sent away, so can't remember right off hand what it said).



JanahX -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 8:07:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: shylilbear

Dear CollarChat peoples,

I tend to have a lot of trouble falling asleep. I have tried all of the "tried and true" methods of getting myself to sleep. Warm milk, reading, soft music, warm bath, meditation, an intense orgasm or ten. More than once all of the above in the same night. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Benedryl does a pretty good job (usually) of knocking me out, at least until I develope a resistance to it. Then it might as well be pink sugar pills. Which seems to be the case at the moment. Daddy doesn't want me being dependant on pills to help me sleep, and he's asked me to stop taking the benedryl. I don't have a problem with that, especially considering the above mentioned resistance which tends to lead to taking dangerously high doses of the stuff.

Now all I have to do is find something else to put me to sleep that's not in a pill and actually works consistantly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, especially if anyone has a trick that's not usually on the "tried and true" list.

Sincerely,

Sleepless near Seattle


Orgasm!! ... out like a light every time.



shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 8:34:13 AM)

Sorry to hear it didn't work for you. Rubber mallet maybe?
quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

quote:

ORIGINAL: shylilbear

Good luck! I am very interested in hearing how it turned out. I have also tried prescription stuff with the same results you had. Both my medical dr and my psych med provider that I currently have won't give me anything because of the risk of dependency. I keep asking them what's worse? Being dependent on it, or being totally non functional because I'm so dang tired all the time?? Apparently they think being dependent on sleep aids is worse.
quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

ha...I've tried absolutely everything I could think of that wasn't prescribed. Not a single thing has ever worked. I removed caffeine, I don't have a tv in my room or anything at all. I did everything everyone has suggested to me and nothing has worked. I would try reading but like you, the moment I put down the book I'm wide awake again.

Sooo...I finally went to see a dr about it. We've tried one medication after another. They either made me ill or didn't do a damn thing....

So now tonight I start a new one. I haven't taken it yet but will in a few minutes. It's called Somnote. It's a drug they use to sedate patients before surgery. According to her if this doesn't work nothing will.

I'll report back tomorrow. Wish me luck.






Well, I can give you a report now. I was told to take it 15-30 mins before I planned to go to sleep. That was over an hour ago and here I am...wide awake. [8|] It didn't do a single thing at all. It's like I never even took it.

And because of it's supposed potency I'm told it's too dangerous to take two by my dr. UGH. So back to the drawing board.






shylilbear -> RE: Now I lay me down to......sleep?? What's that?? (2/1/2012 8:36:50 AM)

Thank you Lithium. I'm certainly going to try the melatonin and Valerian Root and see what happens.
quote:

ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx

Melatonin is good, I have taken it in the past and it worked, but the kind you get at Wal Mart is in low dosage, so you may want to start off low and add to it as you go. Another method my mom uses is Valerian Root. It smells like stink bait, so it's vile, but if you lay it out about 10 minutes before you take it, it helps considerably.

Valerian Root helped me more than the Melatonin, but I also have a slight case of ADD, so insomnia is a very close friend of mine.

I told a girl friend of mine today that sometimes you just have to ride it out, but that gets tricky when you get sleepy during the day and want to nap. If you nap, you won't sleep at night, if you don't sleep at night you want to nap. It's horribly circular.

You have my sympathy and I wish you much luck.




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