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SternSkipper -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 5:24:07 PM)
quote: quote: They were having loads of fun until the conservatives started pointing out that high school dropouts were also more likely to be Democrats, while people who finished high school, or went on to a Masters or PhD trended Republican. Got that study handy? The Renaissance of Talk Radio Sure Fixed That Statistic!

TheHeretic -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 6:23:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Got that study handy? Handy? No, 'fraid not. I'm sure our mutual friend Google can find it for you.

tazzygirl -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 6:27:55 PM)
Not coming up on google. Imagine that!

kalikshama -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 6:41:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Montana32DDD [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif]

tazzygirl -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 6:44:58 PM)
Funnier part is I think she was serious.

kalikshama -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 6:46:55 PM)
Bright Minds and Dark AttitudesLower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact Gordon Hodson and Michael A. Busseri Author Affiliations - Brock University Gordon Hodson, Department of Psychology, Brock University, 500 Glenridge Ave., St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2S 3A1 Abstract Despite their important implications for interpersonal behaviors and relations, cognitive abilities have been largely ignored as explanations of prejudice. We proposed and tested mediation models in which lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice, an effect mediated through the endorsement of right-wing ideologies (social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism) and low levels of contact with out-groups. In an analysis of two large-scale, nationally representative United Kingdom data sets (N = 15,874), we found that lower general intelligence (g) in childhood predicts greater racism in adulthood, and this effect was largely mediated via conservative ideology. A secondary analysis of a U.S. data set confirmed a predictive effect of poor abstract-reasoning skills on antihomosexual prejudice, a relation partially mediated by both authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. All analyses controlled for education and socioeconomic status. Our results suggest that cognitive abilities play a critical, albeit underappreciated, role in prejudice. Consequently, we recommend a heightened focus on cognitive ability in research on prejudice and a better integration of cognitive ability into prejudice models.

kalikshama -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 6:50:35 PM)
Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism Are racists dumb? Do conservatives tend to be less intelligent than liberals? A provocative new study from Brock University in Ontario suggests the answer to both questions may be a qualified yes. The study, published in Psychological Science, showed that people who score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood. I.Q., or intelligence quotient, is a score determined by standardized tests, but whether the tests truly reveal intelligence remains a topic of hot debate among psychologists. Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and the study's lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a vicious cycle: People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn, prejudice, he told LiveScience. Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative ideologies? Because such ideologies feature "structure and order" that make it easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice," he added. Dr. Brian Nosek, a University of Virginia psychologist, echoed those sentiments. "Reality is complicated and messy," he told The Huffington Post in an email. "Ideologies get rid of the messiness and impose a simpler solution. So, it may not be surprising that people with less cognitive capacity will be attracted to simplifying ideologies." But Nosek said less intelligent types might be attracted to liberal "simplifying ideologies" as well as conservative ones. In any case, the study has taken the Internet by storm, with some outspoken liberals saying that it validates their suspicions about conservatives and conservatives arguing that the research has been misinterpreted. What do you think? Do conservatives tend to be less intelligent? Or is this just political opinion masquerading as science?

Anaxagoras -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 7:23:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras I think you suggested a few times that the Daily Mail was extremely dishonest That is untrue. I have said that the Daily Mail is extremely dishonest many times. [;)] Peon, on other threads you suggested the Daily Mail was so dishonest that articles by it cannot be taken seriously unless another source backs it up. It sounded like you placed it almost on a par with the "bus found in South Pole" shenanigans of the Daily Sport. quote: Assuming this bit of research exists and does actually say what the Mail claims it says (two big assumptions) You express doubt that the research exists, and also doubt that the research says what the Mail says that it says so the questions I think should be asked are: (a) why would the Mail invent research that made the kind of politics they largely advocate look bad, and (b) if there was research but they misled their readers regarding the findings, again why would they portray the findings in a negative light to make the kind of politics they advocate look bad? In my opinion the only plausible conclusion here is that the research is real and accurately reflected in the article to a reasonable extent because to suggest otherwise would be a bizarro scenario where people and organisations intentionally act against their own interests. quote: I've no idea why they'd choose to publicise it. Perhaps to show, once again, just why scientists are such terrible people? Beats me. I would also give that point credence if the article slammed the findings but it doesn't. It doesn't even offer any opposing views from other sources for the sake of balance!

Anaxagoras -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 8:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic What this study says is that people who latch onto prejudice and bigotry are more likely to be dumb. There are plenty of prejudiced morons on the D side. Good point, and in any case as I think Kirata said, IQ tests are quite limited with regard to what they say about intelligence. Who knows, maybe people on the right are thicker than those on the left but I'm not sure the argument follows. I don't have the report in front of me so will just throw out a few thougths on the issue after reading the article. The authors of the report seem to cite a psychological explanation relating to a need for stability, and a need for simple understanding of the world. Fair enough but socialism and liberalism don't seem more complex ideologically than conservatism. Socialist societies are even more simplistic because all are supposedly equal. Thus the possibility arises that the less intelligent people raised in such societies would prefer the latter and instead find capitalist/conservative values threatening. Secondly, intelligence is just one of many of mental characteristics albeit a very important one. Statistics would need to have a strong result to really show that stupidity was a key motivator in choosing conservative values. When I was reading philosophy at Uni one of the conclusions that one lecturer came to was that psychology isn't truly a science. Indeed a contentious point but the reasoning was that it was too subjective to have sufficient objectivity to be a science a la chemistry or biology. The pursuit of knowledge could be described as a form of inter-subjectivity because a given psychologist deals with conscious subjects who are reactive in terms of the judgement visited on them by the psychologist in question and society as a whole. Thus the findings regarding bigotry could either be true or a testament to the honesty of certain people who lacked the cognitive sensitivity to learn certain social graces. YMMV as always..

Hillwilliam -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 8:05:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Montana32DDD This article is a perfect example of Left Wing Projection. Any Claims of Right Wingers being stupid are just that, claims. Any claims that Left Wingers are smart are also just claims. In My experience, growing up in New York City, Left Wingers protect themselves by dismissing and ignoring the right. Left Wingers live in a fantasy bubble. Upon Leaving the vaunted City of New York *Where right wing thought is all but banned) and moving to "Fly Over Country" I can tell you this. In My experience Left Wingers are Ignorant, intolerant, and rude. Right Wingers are generally a lot more tolerant, a hell of a lot smarter than ANY left winger will give the right credit for. Right Wingers are also more polite, more charitable, and open minded. Also, Left Wingers are always the first to engage in character assassination as soon as they find out you do not agree with the left. Left Wing people are very very rude, engaging in anti social behavior to anyone who does not share their views. Gay Marriage is a perfect example of this, where any support for the traditional family is dismissed as hatred. I also believe that Left wing policies hurt the economy. Example: the current Economic downturn after three years of Democrat Majority Rule is dismissed as Bush's fault. Any one who applies the logic that the people currently in charge have a hand in the current mess is dismissed as racism. This is not an intelligent position. This is a perfect example of just how intellectually dishonest the left HAS to be. Cheers. I was skeptical of the OP until I read this. This should be held up as proof that the OP is correct.

tazzygirl -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 8:13:39 PM)
I took it as sarcasm... until I read her other posts.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 10:09:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata [There is, of course, the minor detail that equating IQ with intelligence is about the most ignorant bit of prejudicial crap to come along and that anyone who uses such an argument is self-evidently a bigoted idiot. K. My sparse readings on the subject indicate IQ IS related to intelligence, although in a very limited way. Right around the time Tricerotops was wandering the fruited plains, and just before Disco, I had to write a paper for a psych class. My topic was the measurement and interpretation of the IQ. I concluded that the result of an IQ test strongly correlated with the ability to do well on tests, and was also correlated with scholastic performance. I've always wondered what I would have gotten had I taken my SATs if I had completed High School, and was not seriously hung over the morning I took them. A chart on a link GotSteel provided on another thread indicates that a just-before "Shake Your Booty" SAT sez my score equates to the 99%ile. I coulda been a contender! [8D]

tazzygirl -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/4/2012 10:15:55 PM)
We know what we mean when we talk of intelligence, but the definition is surprisingly difficult to pin down. The bottom line is that IQ does not equal intelligence and should only be used in a comparative way, and when like is being compared with like. http://www-staff.it.uts.edu.au/~simmonds/Sophy/intelligence.htm "The best thing IQ measures is the ability to do well in school," said Alan Kazdin, professor of psychology and director of the Parenting Center and Child Conduct Clinic at Yale University. "At this age, consider it potential. But you have to have the right environment to nurture this." A score on an IQ test measures one's mental abilities in relation to their peer group. IQ tests, of which the two most common are the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale and the Stanford-Binet, come in adult and children's versions and are similar to standardized tests, such as the SAT. But Kazdin pointed out that IQ tests are far less general than the public believes. They test very specific areas of knowledge where vocabulary, pattern recognition and problem solving are most important. The drawback of such tests is that they cannot measure creativity and practical knowledge in areas such as music, art or athletics. Nor can such tests point out a particular talent. Frank Lawlis, psychological supervisor of American MENSA, a society for people with high IQ, said the tests can emphasize how many different kinds of intelligence there are, but if there is no way to determine a person's skill in an area of interest beyond reading and general problem solving, then they will not be recognized by an IQ test. "We're going to miss that person's best intelligence," Lawlis said. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/high-iq-spell-success/story?id=8821819#.Ty4eDcVSQ9A

Moonhead -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 5:12:07 AM)
There are definitely other forms of intelligence besides that measured by IQ tests, but problem solving abilities aren't a bad form to measure as a baseline, at least within the education system. (Wasn't it Lewis Mumford who observed that there's far too much emphasis on problem solving as proof of human intelligence, while art is about the only thing we do that other mammals don't? Of course, artistic ability is going to be a lot more difficult to gauge accurately...)

thishereboi -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 5:47:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: I cannot personally validate the legitimacy of this claim, I do intend to smack people in the face with it at every opportunity however. You could get together with the ones who love to link the "atheists are smarter than religious folks" studies and put down two groups with one brush. More bang for your buck that way. There is, of course, the minor detail that equating IQ with intelligence is about the most ignorant bit of prejudicial crap to come along and that anyone who uses such an argument is self-evidently a bigoted idiot. K. Good Point

tazzygirl -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 7:49:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead There are definitely other forms of intelligence besides that measured by IQ tests, but problem solving abilities aren't a bad form to measure as a baseline, at least within the education system. (Wasn't it Lewis Mumford who observed that there's far too much emphasis on problem solving as proof of human intelligence, while art is about the only thing we do that other mammals don't? Of course, artistic ability is going to be a lot more difficult to gauge accurately...) I dont even see it as capable of testing problem solving skills. Not everyone tests well. Not everyone is good at math. Not everyone solves problems in the same way. IQ is a good way to test for learning difficulties. "We're going to miss that person's best intelligence," Lawlis said.

Moonhead -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 8:05:00 AM)
It's more pattern recognition than mathematics (which, as you say, makes it a brilliant test for dyslexia if nothing else). If my memory serves, they test mathematics, reasoning and communication skills separately in the more advanced IQ tests.

tazzygirl -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 8:37:54 AM)
I suck at math problems like train a going one way at x speed, and train be going the other way at y speed, how long before they meet. I would rather be beat (nonsexually) than have to deal with that. That doesnt diminish my problem solving skills in a hospital room.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 8:55:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Montana32DDD This article is a perfect example of Left Wing Projection. Any Claims of Right Wingers being stupid are just that, claims. Any claims that Left Wingers are smart are also just claims. In My experience, growing up in New York City, Left Wingers protect themselves by dismissing and ignoring the right. Left Wingers live in a fantasy bubble. Upon Leaving the vaunted City of New York Where right wing thought is all but banned) and moving to "Fly Over Country" I can tell you this. In My experience Left Wingers are Ignorant, intolerant, and rude. Right Wingers are generally a lot more tolerant, a hell of a lot smarter than ANY left winger will give the right credit for. Right Wingers are also more polite, more charitable, and open minded. Also, Left Wingers are always the first to engage in character assassination as soon as they find out you do not agree with the left. Left Wing people are very very rude, engaging in anti social behavior to anyone who does not share their views. Gay Marriage is a perfect example of this, where any support for the traditional family is dismissed as hatred. I also believe that Left wing policies hurt the economy. Example: the current Economic downturn after three years of Democrat Majority Rule is dismissed as Bush's fault. Any one who applies the logic that the people currently in charge have a hand in the current mess is dismissed as racism. This is not an intelligent position. This is a perfect example of just how intellectually dishonest the left HAS to be. Cheers. I was skeptical of the OP until I read this. This should be held up as proof that the OP is correct. Yes, seems so, doesn't it. Let's see...."Right Wingers are generally a lot more tolerant"...."Gay Marriage is a perfect example of this where any support for the traditional family is dismissed as hatred." Oh, but I guess being intolerant* of gay people is somehow "tolerant" in Montana32DDD's world. Wow. The response is so contradictory that it really does speak for itself.

Lucylastic -> RE: Right wingers are thicker than lefties? (2/5/2012 9:05:10 AM)
THe concept of Irony escapes so many.Id vote for best Irony post evah, but ..gawd there are so many from some of our righties this weekend, its hard to choose which one is making me laugh hardest

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