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RE: God complex. - 2/7/2012 6:50:05 PM   
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Slutastic: Help me out here. Anyone willing and able to address this issue?

Sure. The god you're looking for, Slutastic, won't ever come to you. He's above begging on the doorsteps of submissives like an encyclopedia seller of an older time or a spam emailer of our present time. You will have to make considerable effort to seek him out and then, if you are lucky enough to find him, lay yourself on the ground, open and vulnerable to his attention, will, and force. You will need to recognize his ability to give you what you need and hope and pray he will find you worthy of notice. How do you tell him him from the hot air sources that come to your doorstep in their clumsy attempts to court and spark? Besides the fact that he finds begging the submissive to pay attention to him far beneath him, you will find that when you attempt to prick him, he does not deflate. But his patience is not endless. Once he's felt you've pricked enough to know there's solidity, not gas behind his presence, then if you venture beyond that point, if you prick again, you'll be banished from the kingdom of his regard (you'll be shocked by how much you've grown to need this without even realizing it) and you'll rue the day that you pricked him one too many times. Should you ever find such a god, your very best option is to make yourself useful to him, give him a reason to keep your (I'm talking generically here--or perhaps I am speaking of myself) sorry ass around.

Kana made a good point. I'm wondering if you grasped it? His point was that not all gods are the same. The guys you're talking about are very familiar to me. I call them wanna-be gods, there's nothing particularly awesome about them--except their egos. Look for the substance behind the arrogance, those qualities that justify the arrogance. Nobody begrudges a great and benevolent ruler who has turned his country around from an impoverished mess to a thriving healthy safe place his arrogance. That arrogance has been earned. Look for those who have earned the right to be arrogant, not those trying to make themselves feel better by wrapping a shiny-looking but ill-fitting garment around their impoverished or lazy bones.

Ishtarr: Why are you complaining about exactly the type of man your profile is designed to attract?

I couldn't disagree more. While I know such a profile will attract plenty of hot air balloons because they like to imagine they are what she is seeking (actually all submissive female profiles attract plenty of hot air balloons, truth be known), it will also attract the notice of the genuine article, although, as I suggested above to Slutastic, the genuine article won't usually write first or even play the silent "look at me looking at your profile" game. Someone who wants what the OP wants usually has to put considerable time and effort into locating such an individual, but the cool thing is that, with a profile like hers, the right individual will be quite receptive to her.

Why would the type of man who is strong enough to get what he wants -including the women he wants- bother with a woman who professes herself to be damaged goods, when he can just as easily get the functioning shiny toys instead?

In my experience, which is rather extensive, shiny healthy toys tend to attract equally boring shiny healthy masters, neither of whom grasp the depths and the heights that sadistic perversion and profound control can bring about. Or at least that's been true for the last 25 years that I've been watching the online and offline circus side show known as the bdsm community.

The cool thing about damaged goods is that, as well as being fucked up, we tend to be humble and flexible, open to change, understanding of the need to be completely subservient to someone we can genuinely worship. This makes us capable of doing things that most Marvelous Shiny Submissive Toys(tm) are too (cough) "healthy" to do. The gods that I have known have understood the uses and benefits of "damaged goods" and often prefer them over the the self-satisfied "look how marvelous I am!" toys, because the latter are often rigidly inflexible due to ego and are really, at heart, not very much fun at all to play with. I'm assuming in this of course, that the god under question has a thriving sadistic streak.

Afterword: Sigh. It looks like this particular bird has taken wing already. A pity. I hadn't the time to respond before now. I hope she is lurking and sees what I intend for her as a message of hope.

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RE: God complex. - 2/7/2012 8:16:05 PM   
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What was her pic?? I missed it and her profile.

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RE: God complex. - 2/7/2012 8:57:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Slutastic

Urban Dictionary definitions of God complex:
1. A person is who is said to have a "God complex", does not believe he is god, but acts so arrogantly that he might as well believe his is God or appointed to act by God.
2. A psychosis based in uncontrolled narcissism, inflated arrogance and a perceived need to subjugate and/or ridicule other individuals deemed to be inferior or unworthy.
3.  A person who has power or control over a certain aspect area such as a website or company, becomes arrogant, and may abuse his/her power.

Just like the title says, if you consider yourself to be a 'master', does a god complex ever come into play with your 'mastering'?   If so, what do you do with it?  Do you reject it because of the ego arrogance stigma that comes with it?  Do you defer it to the subject you're 'mastering' and therefore make it about them so you don't have to face that side of you?

I have received numerous emails from "masters" on this site.  So many that give words portraying they are all knowing, all mighty and know what's best for me.  And yet, when push comes to shove, they whimper away as if I have somehow rejected their almighty wisdom and 'experience' and how dare I do that.  Arrogance.  Control.  Power.  Appointed by god type mentality.  On and on I could continue using the same words that are used to describe someone with a god complex.

The (sad?) part is, there's all huff-n-puff words in print, but nothing more than luke warm (not hot) air coming out  in a one on one conversation away from the computer, if they even agree to get away from their keyboard.

It just seems to me there are many, many, many people in this type of "lifestyle" who present their god complex but only when they are in a protected type mode under the guise of their, er, um, title of "master".

Help me out here.  Anyone willing and able to address this issue?





Complex?

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 4:03:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Slutastic

Urban Dictionary definitions of God complex:
1. A person is who is said to have a "God complex", does not believe he is god, but acts so arrogantly that he might as well believe his is God or appointed to act by God.
2. A psychosis based in uncontrolled narcissism, inflated arrogance and a perceived need to subjugate and/or ridicule other individuals deemed to be inferior or unworthy.
3.  A person who has power or control over a certain aspect area such as a website or company, becomes arrogant, and may abuse his/her power.

Just like the title says, if you consider yourself to be a 'master', does a god complex ever come into play with your 'mastering'?   If so, what do you do with it?  Do you reject it because of the ego arrogance stigma that comes with it?  Do you defer it to the subject you're 'mastering' and therefore make it about them so you don't have to face that side of you?


God complex can apply to any person, often those in authority, but sometimes even those that cannot lead at all. If the focus is leading and following, via the mechanisms of D/s or M/s, then it really is not difficult. I am sure there are some that have a god complex, but to be a leader it is not required and would actually hamper your decision making abilities.

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I have received numerous emails from "masters" on this site.  So many that give words portraying they are all knowing, all mighty and know what's best for me.  And yet, when push comes to shove, they whimper away as if I have somehow rejected their almighty wisdom and 'experience' and how dare I do that.  Arrogance.  Control.  Power.  Appointed by god type mentality.  On and on I could continue using the same words that are used to describe someone with a god complex.


In a text only environment, someone can use whatever words they want to try and illicit a reaction in an individual. It is also possible that a "tone" is assumed by the reader of such text that may not be there, so the problem can come from the person writing, and the person reading.

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The (sad?) part is, there's all huff-n-puff words in print, but nothing more than luke warm (not hot) air coming out  in a one on one conversation away from the computer, if they even agree to get away from their keyboard.


Then you are using a good second filter, to try and find the person that "clicks" with you. You will likely go through many before you find any that are acceptable to your standards (everyone has standards, unless there are issues with their self-esteem).

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It just seems to me there are many, many, many people in this type of "lifestyle" who present their god complex but only when they are in a protected type mode under the guise of their, er, um, title of "master".

Help me out here.  Anyone willing and able to address this issue?




Don't forget what you perceive may not be in fact what they are portraying, or what they actually are. As is often discovered, someone is not always what we believe them to be, once you meet face to face. Of course even face to face we all usually put our best "face" on to create an impression, so I usually recommend multiple meetings and off line discussions over a period of time.

It is unrealistic to label all D or M types with a God Complex, just as much to label all S types as doormates. Sweeping generalizations rarely fit, and instead just move past those that do not have the qualities you desire, and focus on the ones that do.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 5:01:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

Slutastic: Help me out here. Anyone willing and able to address this issue?

Sure. The god you're looking for, Slutastic, won't ever come to you. He's above begging on the doorsteps of submissives like an encyclopedia seller of an older time or a spam emailer of our present time. You will have to make considerable effort to seek him out and then, if you are lucky enough to find him, lay yourself on the ground, open and vulnerable to his attention, will, and force. You will need to recognize his ability to give you what you need and hope and pray he will find you worthy of notice. How do you tell him him from the hot air sources that come to your doorstep in their clumsy attempts to court and spark? Besides the fact that he finds begging the submissive to pay attention to him far beneath him, you will find that when you attempt to prick him, he does not deflate. But his patience is not endless. Once he's felt you've pricked enough to know there's solidity, not gas behind his presence, then if you venture beyond that point, if you prick again, you'll be banished from the kingdom of his regard (you'll be shocked by how much you've grown to need this without even realizing it) and you'll rue the day that you pricked him one too many times. Should you ever find such a god, your very best option is to make yourself useful to him, give him a reason to keep your (I'm talking generically here--or perhaps I am speaking of myself) sorry ass around.

Kana made a good point. I'm wondering if you grasped it? His point was that not all gods are the same. The guys you're talking about are very familiar to me. I call them wanna-be gods, there's nothing particularly awesome about them--except their egos. Look for the substance behind the arrogance, those qualities that justify the arrogance. Nobody begrudges a great and benevolent ruler who has turned his country around from an impoverished mess to a thriving healthy safe place his arrogance. That arrogance has been earned. Look for those who have earned the right to be arrogant, not those trying to make themselves feel better by wrapping a shiny-looking but ill-fitting garment around their impoverished or lazy bones.

Ishtarr: Why are you complaining about exactly the type of man your profile is designed to attract?

I couldn't disagree more. While I know such a profile will attract plenty of hot air balloons because they like to imagine they are what she is seeking (actually all submissive female profiles attract plenty of hot air balloons, truth be known), it will also attract the notice of the genuine article, although, as I suggested above to Slutastic, the genuine article won't usually write first or even play the silent "look at me looking at your profile" game. Someone who wants what the OP wants usually has to put considerable time and effort into locating such an individual, but the cool thing is that, with a profile like hers, the right individual will be quite receptive to her.

Why would the type of man who is strong enough to get what he wants -including the women he wants- bother with a woman who professes herself to be damaged goods, when he can just as easily get the functioning shiny toys instead?

In my experience, which is rather extensive, shiny healthy toys tend to attract equally boring shiny healthy masters, neither of whom grasp the depths and the heights that sadistic perversion and profound control can bring about. Or at least that's been true for the last 25 years that I've been watching the online and offline circus side show known as the bdsm community.

The cool thing about damaged goods is that, as well as being fucked up, we tend to be humble and flexible, open to change, understanding of the need to be completely subservient to someone we can genuinely worship. This makes us capable of doing things that most Marvelous Shiny Submissive Toys(tm) are too (cough) "healthy" to do. The gods that I have known have understood the uses and benefits of "damaged goods" and often prefer them over the the self-satisfied "look how marvelous I am!" toys, because the latter are often rigidly inflexible due to ego and are really, at heart, not very much fun at all to play with. I'm assuming in this of course, that the god under question has a thriving sadistic streak.

Afterword: Sigh. It looks like this particular bird has taken wing already. A pity. I hadn't the time to respond before now. I hope she is lurking and sees what I intend for her as a message of hope.


** standing on the back of the auditorium seating, hooting and hollering with applause **

While the OP may no longer be around to benefit from this very insightful post, I am most appreciative
that you shared your thoughts here. It's good to read you again.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 5:06:39 AM   
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I missed her avatar, but that doesn't have a whole lot to do with it, really... I don't think any of my own avatars have been bad, and I get lots of this sort of mail, too. I think a lot of it has to do with posturing. People who are inexperienced and aren't sure how to behave, or how to relate to sub women, other than the stereotypical/fantasized way they've r ead about online or fantasized about.
So you find a guy who says "I've been dominant all my life," which doesn't really mean anything but sounds good, and who talks about how he will push all your buttons, push your limits, push you off cliffs and you will obey because he's such an awesome guy who will totally get into your head. But that's really not who he is at all, and rather than learn, he triees a simplistic approach, and deems you a "bad sub" for not going along with it.

I rrreeaally like very dominant, very self-assured personalities. A hint of arrogance can be kinda sexy, if I do say so myself. But my problem is when... there's all this talk and, like the OP said, they can't back it up at all. When they've severely misrepresented themselves in oder to appeal, rather than just being themselves and owning who that is. Don't say whatever dreck you think I want to hear - be who you are and be assured in that.

Annd I tend to find that the most serious God complexes reside in the brains of... how to describe it... well they're the same type who figure they can sum up power exchange relationships, sub v. slave discussions, and other such things in a neat little soundbite quote. To me, they aren't really experienced with the day-to-day reality. They think D-types never have anything to learn, and they tend to think they should just be able to amble up to any /s and she'll fall on her knees in an instant. Again, totally unrealistic - well... for the most part. I've met people with personalitiees that made me feel that way, but it's pretty rare.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 5:11:26 AM   
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P.s. Caringandreal gets a +1

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 5:13:20 AM   
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Her avatar was a picture of a face (I presume her own face) photoshopped to be unrecognizable by having it cut up and dripping with blood from all orifices, with the skin made white to resemble a corpse.
Some of her other profile pictures included a zombie falling apart and a disturbing picture of a woman kidnapped, bound and stuffed in a suitcase.
Her profile mirrored the violent horror feeling of those images.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 5:28:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

I couldn't disagree more. While I know such a profile will attract plenty of hot air balloons because they like to imagine they are what she is seeking (actually all submissive female profiles attract plenty of hot air balloons, truth be known), it will also attract the notice of the genuine article, although, as I suggested above to Slutastic, the genuine article won't usually write first or even play the silent "look at me looking at your profile" game. Someone who wants what the OP wants usually has to put considerable time and effort into locating such an individual, but the cool thing is that, with a profile like hers, the right individual will be quite receptive to her.



Of course every female's profile on this site will attract a lot of hot air.
And of course a woman will have to put more effort in attracting a strong man than a loser.

That still doesn't change the fact that I don't know a single strong men of the type she seems to say she wants that wouldn't skip her profile over -no matter how much effort she put in attracting him- simple because of it's pictures and the way she presented herself.

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

In my experience, which is rather extensive, shiny healthy toys tend to attract equally boring shiny healthy masters, neither of whom grasp the depths and the heights that sadistic perversion and profound control can bring about. Or at least that's been true for the last 25 years that I've been watching the online and offline circus side show known as the bdsm community.

The cool thing about damaged goods is that, as well as being fucked up, we tend to be humble and flexible, open to change, understanding of the need to be completely subservient to someone we can genuinely worship. This makes us capable of doing things that most Marvelous Shiny Submissive Toys(tm) are too (cough) "healthy" to do. The gods that I have known have understood the uses and benefits of "damaged goods" and often prefer them over the the self-satisfied "look how marvelous I am!" toys, because the latter are often rigidly inflexible due to ego and are really, at heart, not very much fun at all to play with. I'm assuming in this of course, that the god under question has a thriving sadistic streak.



The is a massive difference between being "damaged goods" and "broken goods" or presenting yourself in a way that makes clear you want to literally be destroyed and may have an active death wish.

The is also a massive difference between being "boring" and a "functioning toy".

You're right that strong men who are sadist don't tend to want to a prime proper mainstream girl who has never lived on the edge in any way.
But in my experience, that doesn't mean that they want somebody who is so damaged that they can't function in everyday life, or can't maintain a healthy relationship with themselves or others, or who has a serious self-destructive steak/death wish.

Strong men don't mind a little baggage. And they can handle "damaged goods" very well if they choose to.
However, they don't very frequently tend to put up with "totally destroyed non-functioning goods" who can't maintain any semblance of having their shit together enough to engage in an adult relationship. Especially when it's clear that the "broken goods" don't really want any help in the doing "better/healthier/more functional" department.

Strong sadistic men tend to like to keep their toys in good enough shape so that they can use them over and over again. From what I read on her profile, that's not what slutastic is looking for. To me her profile indicated that she's looking for a man who wants to break his toy more and more and more until there isn't a toy left at all.

Now we can get into a debate on whether or not a man who would desire to do such a thing could be considered a "strong man" or not, but that wasn't even my point.
I just feel that most "strong men" don't have the desire to break their toys into oblivion, and because of that would skip over her profile in a hearth beat, resulting in her only being able to get the interest of "wind bags". Not even to mention the fact that if she portrays in her profile what many will consider an unrealistic extreme fantasy, then many of the responses she'll naturally get is people who want to pretend to want to live out such fantasies online, but are never really serious about it cause they have enough sense to know it's seriously fucked up.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 6:10:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep
Don't say whatever dreck you think I want to hear - be who you are and be assured in that.



QFT.  IMO A Dom should never look for a relationship with a submissive - he (or she) should be looking for a relationship with a woman (or man) who is submissive.


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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 7:18:34 AM   
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Tokugawa Ieyasu answers `Wait until it sings'
Toyotomi Hideyoshi answers `Make it want to sing'"

Which one would you want to serve?


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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 8:26:00 AM   
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Ah... that explains why you haven't replied.

Fuck.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 9:43:40 AM   
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Free Reply.

I've looked and cannot see how the OP topic would lead me to examine anyone's profile and pictures and then publically critique them but I can see why a god complex comes on people while they are behind a keyboard.

The God Complex is a personal weakness because people are pretending they are someone they are not while behind a keyboard instead of making an effort to transform themselves into someone they admire. In many ways the God Complex represents personal laziness for this same reason. It simply seems easier to pretend to be the person you admire rather than become that person. Indeed, in the OP context, people behind a keyboard on CM can pretend they are a master, dom, gorean or submissive or someone qualified to publically critique pictures or profiles and somehow fit this into the topic of a CM OP.

Pretending, like in computer games or 2nd life or other mediums are not all bad unless people do it at some cost to another and to themselves. Once they cross that line and hurt others with a keyboard then they do indeed assume a God Complex.


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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 1:13:13 PM   
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The OP did a good job of defining what they were talking about. Here is another description to assist those that believe they know what they are refering to:

A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard personal opinions as unquestionably correct.[1][2] The individual may disregard the rules of society and require special consideration or privileges

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 1:31:43 PM   
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Her profile pic resembled this (I could not find it in google image serarch) - but it was done with real spray paint on it. It gave me the creeps.

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ORIGINAL: Fornica

What was her pic?? I missed it and her profile.






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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 2:30:24 PM   
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To me a complex denotes a deficiency of some sort god or otherwise and why a woman would want an owner with a deficiency escapes me.

As far as baggage, we all have baggage we start accumulating it from birth.

I keep hearing strong and wonder what the speaker is referring too and what that means.

I prefer to use the word confident, confident in and certain of and not inhibited by their own desires.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 3:48:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Her profile pic resembled this (I could not find it in google image serarch) - but it was done with real spray paint on it. It gave me the creeps.

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ORIGINAL: Fornica

What was her pic?? I missed it and her profile.






Forgive me. I'm sure there is something I missed which leads one to post another member's profile pic and also search google for matches as a method of fully exploring the Original Post and staying on subject. The subject I suppose was really the OP picture and it's creepiness. Foolish me.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 3:52:37 PM   
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To me a complex denotes a deficiency of some sort god or otherwise and why a woman would want an owner with a deficiency escapes me.

As far as baggage, we all have baggage we start accumulating it from birth.

I keep hearing strong and wonder what the speaker is referring too and what that means.

I prefer to use the word confident, confident in and certain of and not inhibited by their own desires.


I can see this deficiency, as you suggest, manfested in someone as a "god complex". I also wonder why anyone, male or otherwise, would want a person who has such an unrealistice view, no not a personal view in all cases, but in the context of CM and the OP a projection of themselves.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 4:09:57 PM   
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I've looked and cannot see how the OP topic would lead me to examine anyone's profile and pictures and then publically critique them


The disturbing avatar compelled me to click. Many people saw a dissonance between the OP's profile and her post.

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RE: God complex. - 2/8/2012 4:53:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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I've looked and cannot see how the OP topic would lead me to examine anyone's profile and pictures and then publically critique them


The disturbing avatar compelled me to click. Many people saw a dissonance between the OP's profile and her post.


nod.

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