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SoftBonds -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/20/2012 5:58:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I tried to read them. The problem is that there are so many characters that most of the first book seemed like just a list of who was who. And I couldn't keep them straight. I'm told that once you get past that, it's pretty engrossing.


If you watch the series first, the books are OK, cause you already know who everyone is.
I think this is the first time I have ever wanted to watch the show before reading the books though...
(I almost always prefer reading to watching).




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/20/2012 11:49:09 AM)

I loved the tv series. The last episode from season 1 was breathtaking. I won't ruin it, but my jaw dropped and I was glued to the tv. Beautiful! I came across the show, while browsing the On Demand shows and was able to watch all the episodes basically back to back. That made it easier to keep up. I'm really looking forward to season 2. I'll probably wait, until there are several episodes On Demand, and pretend it is a really REALLY long movie.




Kana -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/20/2012 6:18:23 PM)

Simply put, if you are a fan of fantasy fiction, this is THE must read series. It is to modern deconstructionist world building fantasy what LOTR was to classic fantasy.
The characters are mesmerizing. The writing is incredibly crisp. The dialogue is electric. And the layers are endless (To the point where there are whole web sites dedicated to unraveling the various intricate plots, sub-plots, schemes, themes, prophecies, back-stories and betrayals. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/) What Martin is doing is nothing less than creating the landmark of modern fantasy.
The first three books may well be the best fantasy written.
This is not the poor orphan inherits a magic sword stuff. It's harsh, it's brutal, character driven populated by folks who you won't quickly forget, it has less magic and much more human interplay. Martin specifically wrote it to deconstruct traditional tropes. Here, the characters are grey, motives are murky, heroes and anti-heroes blend, and characters act out of human motives, greed, vengeance, attempts at redemption etc...
Plus, he's willing to kill off good guys, including major characters, which gives his stuff a tension that is rarely found in the genre.

Those are the high points.
The flip side is, as has been said, that Martin feels like he has lost his way a bit. His ultimate vision still remains clear (He's stated that he knew the ending before he started writing), but he's added a lot in the center of the story that often feels unnecessary-kinda like the middle books of TWOT, but far better writing.
Worse, he's taking forever in writing them (Six years between books 4 and 5) and I genuinely believe he may die before he finishes, and as a cat who bought a first edition of AGOT many many years ago and has been reading since, that's more than a bit demoralizing.
After the abortion that is becoming the end of TWOT, another series I've followed forever and whose author did die before completion, I would be a bit hesitant to recommend to anyone to start reading the series.
There is a strong feeling among many fans that Martin has sold out and spends way too much time marketing, doing book conventions and taking accolades and working on the HBO show, and that he'll never finsih.

So there's the pluses and minuses to AGOT.
Personally, I think it's worth reading, just to see a master at work, taking things in a direction nobody else has gone.
And really, the dialogue is great-worth reading for that alone.

A few quotes:

-"War was easier than daughters."
-"There is no creature on earth half so terrifying as a truly just man"
-"Do you have any notion what happens when a city is sacked, Sansa? No, you wouldn’t, would you? All you know of life you learned from singers, and there is such a dearth of good sacking songs"
-"Hanged, Ami. Your father was not a tapestry"

and two personal favorites:
-“How would you like to die, Tyrion son of Tywin?”
“In my own bed, at the age of 80 with a bellyful of wine and a girl’s mouth around my cock.”

-"If I could pray with my cock, I would be much more religious."




Aylee -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/21/2012 11:26:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Has anyone read the books or watched the series?
I *think* I might like them, but I'm not sure.
Verdicts?
Thoughts?
Thank you in advance!


I am halfway through the third book, Storm of Swords. For anyone that has read all that are out, does Hodor ever say anything besides "Hodor"?

As to the length and time between the stories coming out: all I have to say is that I am STILL waiting for the conclusion of The Wheel of Time. 22 years I have waited. The final installment is due out in a year.




myrgth -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/21/2012 11:42:51 AM)

I agree with Kana, however I would add that if you aren't a fan of fantasy fiction then this is the series that could change your mind.  It's brilliant in many, many ways.

The series is fine for what it is, but the books are ever so much better.  Well, the first 3 are.




crazyml -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/21/2012 11:49:10 AM)

Short answer - Does Sean Bean give you a wettie? If yes then woo hoo!

Longer Answer - See Kana's reply which I think is superb.

I actually made a note of a couple of the quotes Kana pulled out when I was reading the books.




Dave550 -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/21/2012 11:53:23 AM)

I've finished all the books so far and I am pretty impressed with it. Unlike most stories, you can't take anything for granted, no character is safe from death or undeath or fake death. Martin doesn't really play favorites. The first season on HBO followed the story pretty close, but the books offer so much more.

And Aylee, Hodor doesn't offer much more than "Hodor", but becomes a big character.




Aylee -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/21/2012 12:30:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dave550

And Aylee, Hodor doesn't offer much more than "Hodor", but becomes a big character.


Well drat it. I was kind of hoping that we would find out what "hodor" means.




Winterapple -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/21/2012 6:04:45 PM)

FR
Kana, that was a great post. The books really
aren't like in fantasy books I've ever read.
If he doesn't complete the series I will be very
upset but even if he doesn't I can't say I regret
reading the books. The writing is to good and
the world Martin has created is to fascinating for
me to regret plunging into them.
I think if we get a new book within the next
two years he might finish it. But I'm
still expecting to hear it's going to take
three books instead of two to finish.
westeros.org is a great site for anyone tackling
the books or just watching the series.
If you have questions someone there can
answer it. It's a totally addictive site.
Aylee Storm of Swords is my favorite book
in the series by far. Just an incredibly well
written and well plotted novel.
crazyml Yes on Sean Bean. And the series is
full of other tasty morsels.
Some of my favorite quotes
"Can a man be brave even if he is afraid?"
"That's the only time a man can be brave."
"The first sword of Braavos does not run" (Syrio forever!)
'The lies we tell for love.' Ned thinks this.
"When your enemies defy you, you must serve them
steel and fire, When they go to their knees,
however, you must help them back to their feet."
'How much can a crown be worth, when a crow
can dine upon a king?'
"Power resides where men believe it resides no
more no less."
"So it is a mummers trick?"
"A shadow on the wall Varys murmured "yet
shadows can kill and often a very small man
can cast a very large shadow."
"And I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples,
bastards and broken things."
The brightest flame casts the darkest shadows.
And the line that chokes me up every time I read
it: "Egg?" he said as the rain streamed down his
cheeks "Egg, I dreamed that I was old."
So beautiful.




xxblushesxx -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/26/2012 9:22:04 PM)

Ok, another question: We will begin watching the second season when it begins, (april 1) and will buy and watch the first season before that.
About the book/show conundrum...
Should I just skip the books for now and read them later? (which is what I *might* tell new Truebies-True Blood Fans-to do) or is it ok to do both at the same time?
In other words will the books confuse me while watching the show?




LoreBook -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/26/2012 9:32:54 PM)

I'm reading the 5th book now, and I totally recommend them to anybody. The series is a pretty accurate adaptation and I liked it as well.





zubedangina -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/26/2012 10:00:06 PM)

I'm reading the books now, I took a break from life today, and actually laid in bed all day reading the series, I'm not really sure which book I'm on, as I got a bundle set for my Kindle, and it just goes on endlessly. I'm usually a fast reader, but this has been taking me months, which I kind of like. I didn't know there was a t.v. show until recently, but don't have tv service, so would be unable to watch it had I known. My main problem with the books, is that everyone keeps dying. I guess that's why the author needs so many characters. The other day, my husband walked into the kitchen, and said why are you crying. I was like they just killed them, I didn't expect those people to die. But besides everyone dying, I am enjoying the books very much.




Winterapple -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/26/2012 10:03:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Ok, another question: We will begin watching the second season when it begins, (april 1) and will buy and watch the first season before that.
About the book/show conundrum...
Should I just skip the books for now and read them later? (which is what I *might* tell new Truebies-True Blood Fans-to do) or is it ok to do both at the same time?
In other words will the books confuse me while watching the show?

I think you could read and watch at the same time. The series adapts the books
much more faithfully than True Blood
does the Sookie books.
For me, reading and rereading the books
while watching the series just enhanced
the experience.
The first season comes out the first week
of March on DVD, I believe.




MetalJoe -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/27/2012 12:19:13 AM)

Definitely a must read for any fantasy fan. I would suggest watching the first season of the show before you start if you have trouble keeping up with a large number of characters, as it stays pretty close to the book and lets you get to know the characters in a more condensed fashion.




LoreBook -> RE: The Game of Thrones (2/27/2012 7:36:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

You are wise. I have the memory of a London cabbie, and I lost track sometimes.
That's funny, I had no trouble at all keeping track of who is who, and I started reading the series when it first came out -- I was 7 or 8 at the time. The characters are all distinct individuals, even the minor characters who only play a fleeting role are presented with enough detail that you don't know if they are major characters or not.

And as far as the author losing track of the main characters? How do you know? The focus of the story has switched and shifted all over the place, that is what I love about it. I am on book 5, and I still am not sure exactly who the main character is or where the story will lead. Every time I think I have it -- the story goes somewhere else and I am wrong. I love it, its so much more fun than say Lord of the Rings where the main character is presented to you right away and you can tell a minor character because they are only roughly sketched out. I can't wait to see how it all ends up, how the various strands of the story end up entwining.

If you had trouble keeping track of the characters in the series, here's a bit of advice for you: Never, never, never, never even think about reading War & Peace, in fact, forget that that book even exists.





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