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Anaxagoras -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:22:31 PM)

Has it really taken you almost a week to come up with the half-baked repetitive response below? That's slow even by your standards...

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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I have not watched the interview but I don't really care if you believe me or not. You have displayed a contempt for the opinions of others on other threads.

You are entitled to your opinions no matter how ignorant,ill founded or poorly thought out they may be

Well thank you so very fucking much for spelling out the blindingly obvious. Better stop the presses for that Newsflash! Problem is though, you treat the views of OTHERS that don't agree with your own views with contempt. That was the point of the sentence to which you replied.

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Theirs are always mere opinions while you insist you only deal in "facts".

The fact is that the president of iran addressed all of your issues on the interview with 60 minutes, which you refuse to watch.
What do you have to say in response to his position as to why israel should not be where it is?

No the only relevant fact here is you are so stupid that you believe some twat who oppresses his own people.

Furthermore, when asked repeatedly to address my points instead of constantly citing some tyrannical dick's interview, you have failed to do so. THAT IS A FACT.

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Yet you don't even have the decency to tell me what those facts are. I provided you with ample quotes and links to back up my perspective, which you dismissed out of hand.

I have not dismissed your opinion I have told you of an alternate point of view(which does dismiss your opinion) which you refuse to listen to.

Are you using your metaphysical power again Brains? I have repeatedly listened to the alternative point of view in his other interviews and on this forum. Furthermore, you are being dishonest because you did dismiss my views out of hand without even addressing them. I can cite the relevant passages on the previous Iran thread if you wish.

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All you do is cite one of perhaps hundreds of interviews Ammadinna did in the West

I would challange you to produce more than a few dozen interviews that he has done in the west?

Get real bud. He has done many interviews with the Western media, and in the West. It is stupid to suggest he hasn't done more than twelve in the last eight or so years.

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as if everything he says in it is absolute truth.

I think you would have a pretty difficult time finding me saying he is telling the truth. I said he disagrees with the interpretation of what some people say he has said.
You on the other hand feel that what his enemies say he said is the truth because it coincides with what you believe about him...and you refuse to listen to what he himself says.
That pretty much makes any sort of discussion on this subjct pretty difficult.

Any doubt you were being dishonest before has been put to rest because you are rewriting history here. You cited him as refuting my points on that thread, and different points on this one. He can only refute them if he is essentially telling the truth.

Any sort of discussion with me difficult? What a complete joke. I have asked you again and again and again and again... to cite what you disagree with and argue counter to that. You have not done so even once. Instead you expect me to listen to find and listen to a fucking interview for one hour before you even make one fucking point.



Anaxagoras -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:26:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
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If the u.s. did not have the ability to "toast" them do you think the protocol might be somewhat different?

Yeah probably... And SO WHAT?

So is it your considered opinion that might makes right?


Stern may disagree but spurious inference is quite unbecoming for one who repeatedly trumpets that he only deals in "FACTS" (yet oddly doesn't present said "FACTS" very often even when repeatedly asked to do so), whilst those that disagree with him only deal in "OPINIONS" as in "well-like-that-is-just-so-like-YOUR-opinion-and-like-I-don't-agree-with-it".



MrBukani -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:33:01 PM)

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thompsonx -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:43:35 PM)

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No the only relevant fact here is you are so stupid that you believe some twat who oppresses his own people.


Once again your ignorance overtakes your intellect. I have not said I believe him. I have said he repudiates your opinions. If you could muster a repudiation of his defense you would, but you are unaware of what his defense is.



thompsonx -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:45:42 PM)

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All you do is cite one of perhaps hundreds of interviews Ammadinna did in the West

I would challange you to produce more than a few dozen interviews that he has done in the west?

Get real bud. He has done many interviews with the Western media, and in the West. It is stupid to suggest he hasn't done more than twelve in the last eight or so years.

Perhaps if you were to read what I post and comment on that. I say a few dozen and you equate that to 12. A few dozen would be somewhere between 36 and some number substantially less than the hundreds you claim.



thompsonx -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:51:44 PM)

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Any sort of discussion with me difficult? What a complete joke. I have asked you again and again and again and again... to cite what you disagree with and argue counter to that.


I said ahmaddinajad disagreed with you and you want to get into a pissing contest with me. Why don't you address your arguements towards the one who disagrees with you.



thompsonx -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:54:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
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If the u.s. did not have the ability to "toast" them do you think the protocol might be somewhat different?

Yeah probably... And SO WHAT?

So is it your considered opinion that might makes right?


Stern may disagree but spurious inference is quite unbecoming for one who repeatedly trumpets that he only deals in "FACTS" (yet oddly doesn't present said "FACTS" very often even when repeatedly asked to do so), whilst those that disagree with him only deal in "OPINIONS" as in "well-like-that-is-just-so-like-YOUR-opinion-and-like-I-don't-agree-with-it".



It was a question concerning his position. Are you qualified/authorized to speak for him?



Anaxagoras -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 12:59:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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No the only relevant fact here is you are so stupid that you believe some twat who oppresses his own people.


Once again your ignorance overtakes your intellect. I have not said I believe him. I have said he repudiates your opinions. If you could muster a repudiation of his defense you would, but you are unaware of what his defense is.

You would not be repeatedly citing this precious interview, which you mentioned in the other thread in positive terms, if you did not believe it.

You started off by citing it as factual content - To quote
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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I'm not dismissing the subtleties. The article acknowledges them and gives an even handed account of both sides of the argument but the strength of the points leads to the conclusion that his statement as reported in the media at the time was essentially correct.


Your article concerning the translations is dated june of 2006. In august of 2006 on 60 minutes with mike wallace ahmadinejad explaned quite clearly what he said and what he meant.
Don't you think you might consider the primary source as the correct one since he is the one who said it?



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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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All you do is cite one of perhaps hundreds of interviews Ammadinna did in the West

I would challange you to produce more than a few dozen interviews that he has done in the west?

Get real bud. He has done many interviews with the Western media, and in the West. It is stupid to suggest he hasn't done more than twelve in the last eight or so years.

Perhaps if you were to read what I post and comment on that. I say a few dozen and you equate that to 12. A few dozen would be somewhere between 36 and some number substantially less than the hundreds you claim.


Ah well you are right. I missed the word "a few" - yet a few is just more than one so for you it would be 24+. In any case is it really that important to debate over the number of interviews he has done? He has done quite a number over the years to the Western media, some of which I have heard. That was the essence of the point.



Anaxagoras -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 1:07:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
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If the u.s. did not have the ability to "toast" them do you think the protocol might be somewhat different?

Yeah probably... And SO WHAT?

So is it your considered opinion that might makes right?


Stern may disagree but spurious inference is quite unbecoming for one who repeatedly trumpets that he only deals in "FACTS" (yet oddly doesn't present said "FACTS" very often even when repeatedly asked to do so), whilst those that disagree with him only deal in "OPINIONS" as in "well-like-that-is-just-so-like-YOUR-opinion-and-like-I-don't-agree-with-it".

It was a question concerning his position. Are you qualified/authorized to speak for him?

It may be worth upscaling your English capabilities as I was referring to your capacity to make an inference based on what he said, not his own point of view.


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Any sort of discussion with me difficult? What a complete joke. I have asked you again and again and again and again... to cite what you disagree with and argue counter to that.

I said ahmaddinajad disagreed with you and you want to get into a pissing contest with me. Why don't you address your arguements towards the one who disagrees with you.

Pissing contest indeed. You were the one to make repeated attacks of a fairly personal nature, and you started yet again about the 60 minute interview on this thread too.

Your dishonesty speaks volumes about your integrity. You were the one to cite his account, and in positive terms. You stated for example "So until you can post facts to counter facts that have been presented then you are being illogical." in relation to the interview http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4012131 - thus you presented his assertions as truth. If you pretend otherwise then it has to be pointed out that this was the sole content you had cited in our "discussion" (if it can be called such a thing) on that thread.



thompsonx -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 3:06:20 PM)

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You would not be repeatedly citing this precious interview, which you mentioned in the other thread in positive terms, if you did not believe it.


I cite it because it disagrees with your position.
So far you have been unable to refute his position.
Instead you wish to pick a fight with me rather than actually defend your pathetically ignorant position.



tweakabelle -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 5:39:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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You would not be repeatedly citing this precious interview, which you mentioned in the other thread in positive terms, if you did not believe it.


I cite it because it disagrees with your position.
So far you have been unable to refute his position.
Instead you wish to pick a fight with me rather than actually defend your pathetically ignorant position.

SOP for the Zionist lobby here thompsonsx. You're actually getting off quite lightly compared to the abusive vitriol they usually dish out to any one who dares to disagree with their nonsense. Or (heavens forbid!), try to introduce a few facts into the discussion.



Anaxagoras -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 6:34:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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You would not be repeatedly citing this precious interview, which you mentioned in the other thread in positive terms, if you did not believe it.

I cite it because it disagrees with your position.

That is incorrect. You cited it because it fundamentally agreed with your position, and you presented it as fact as I have already pointed out, and cited your assertion from the previous thread "So until you can post facts to counter facts that have been presented then you are being illogical."

Furthermore, while you did cite it, you did so in a very unspecific fashion by blithely asserting that the interview differed but not stating in what respect it did. Thus you presented a non-argument. I made that point several times on the other thread as well.

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So far you have been unable to refute his position.

I have by quoting an article in the New York Times which is fairly authorative because it cited numerous experts, and I also quoted from many other sources where he, Khomeini, and a senior cleric, have been threatening Israel with annihilation since the year 2000. Just two weeks ago, Khomeini said Israel is a cancer that should be cut out of the region, and he also asserted that Iran supported Hamas and Hizbullah. It is all relevant since the major issue on these threads was whether Iran had a genocidal intent toward Israel.

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Instead you wish to pick a fight with me rather than actually defend your pathetically ignorant position.

Picking a fight? Who was the one who started attacking me on the other thread instead of putting forward a coherent argument of his own, despite the many repeated requests to do so? I'll give you a hint: an individual whose user name begins with "T" and ends with an "X". As long as you continue to label others "ignorant" without provocation, treat their arguments with utter contempt, arrogantly proclaim your arguments to be "facts" and cast those of others mere "opinion" etc, then you have no right to take the moral high ground.



VideoAdminGamma -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 6:56:46 PM)

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FatDomDaddy -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 10:24:21 PM)

Kinda had to when you get crap grenade like "Zionist Lobby" tossed into the thread.



tweakabelle -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 10:51:09 PM)

In a provocative move sure to raise temperatures in the region, Iran has requested the re-opening of talks with the EU. These negotiations hope to find a peaceful resolution the impasse.

It would seem that the 'manufacturers' of the to-date non-existent WMDs are seeking to resolve outstanding issues without any further violence. Perhaps the 'target' of the to date non-existent WMDs might take this opportunity to tone down its rhetoric and leave it to more sensible heads to find a peaceful resolution.

I wish I could have more confidence that Israel actually will do this, but recent history demonstrates very clearly that peace is not on the Israeli agenda. We might also do well to recall recent history in the region, and in particular, the mess that resulted from the last time non-existent WMDs were cited to justify aggression.



Anaxagoras -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/17/2012 10:53:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
Kinda had to when you get crap grenade like "Zionist Lobby" tossed into the thread.

QFT. Quite why some have to invent such things about those they disagree with would likely lead to a telling indictment of character but I won't say anymore than that or risk the thread being spoilt as it so often happens when topics like Iran or Israel come up. [8|]



Kirata -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/18/2012 6:38:49 AM)


~ FR ~

I hate to wade into this mess, but I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Iran would launch a first-stike nuclear attack on Israel. To do so would be suicide, and if there's one thing we've learned about the way jihad is managed in the Islamic world it's that its leaders never risk their own asses.

I think Iran most likely wants a nuclear capability (if indeed its program is aimed at one) so that it can escalate hostilies with Israel from a position that would deter the Israelis from deciding to use their nuclear arsenal to make quick work of the business. And frankly, I think the Israelis know this too. I think what they really fear is a conventional war prosecuted by an array of force against which their nuclear option would be reduced to only a suicidal last resort instead of the game-ending ace that it is now.

As for the US taking military action, we are already going broke supporting multiple foreign military engagements. Starting a new one can only help drive another nail in our economic coffin and bring us a step closer to collapse as a world power. That makes a pre-emptive attack on Iran a win-win for the Iranians, whether they have a nuclear weapons program or not. If they do, they'll just start it up again. And if it turns out after the fact that they actually didn't, we won't be able to find a big enough hole to crawl into.

I think the wisest course for both the US and Israel would be to continue with diplomatic pressure and sanctions, ratchet down the sky-is-falling rhetoric, and not take any precipitative action. The Iranians are doing everything they can to provoke such an attack, and in my opinion that in itself ought to give sufficient pause for reflection.

K.



Owner59 -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/18/2012 10:04:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Kinda had to when you get crap grenade like "Zionist Lobby" tossed into the thread.


Every time the Israeli government approves building permits on occupied lands I think to myself.....everyone wants fucking WW III !

I agree w/ Kirata`s comments as well.



thompsonx -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/18/2012 4:03:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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You would not be repeatedly citing this precious interview, which you mentioned in the other thread in positive terms, if you did not believe it.
I cite it because it disagrees with your position.
That is incorrect. You cited it because it fundamentally agreed with your position,


Since I have not stated a position don't you think it more than a little presumptious of you to take one for me?

and you presented it as fact as I have already pointed out, and cited your assertion from the previous thread "So until you can post facts to counter facts that have been presented then you are being illogical."

Furthermore, while you did cite it, you did so in a very unspecific fashion by blithely asserting that the interview differed but not stating in what respect it did. Thus you presented a non-argument. I made that point several times on the other thread as well.


I point out that ahmadinajad explains the errors and misconceptions you have about what he has said. You tell me that you are not interested in what he has to say because you want to believe what someone else has said he said.
Self imposed ignorance is it's own reward



SoftBonds -> RE: AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL (2/18/2012 4:55:46 PM)

Ahmadinejad says inflammatory things because his political position at home is shaky, he is worried his power base will fall since the population of Iran is young and generally (surprise) pro-US.
Israel does the same because the political party in power only has enough votes to stay in power if they have the votes of the settlers, you know, the folks who are building towns in land that doesn't belong to Israel.
And folks in the US push for war with Iran because when people are thinking about war, they turn to the "Daddy party," (Republicans) instead of the "Mommy party," (Democrats).
Then our young men and women are sent to die for those votes.
Sickening, but some people think that tax breaks or god in school or something is worth the lives of our soldiers...



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