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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 12:02:33 PM   
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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 1:54:44 PM   
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"Does any man expect that his sex life will ever resemble a "traditional" porno?"


Um... well, actually yes. Too many do (both in the vanilla world and evidenced by many postings on this very forum.



Can't we blame porn for this attitude: http://www.xtranormal.com/profile/5297466/ ?

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 2:15:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Porn is just that, Porn, whether it be BDSM or Vanilla porn. I do not think any man with 1/2 brain would believe what he sees in porn is what he is going to expect. Take vanilla porn....no man is really going to think this what he is going to get 2 minutes after meeting a hot dame. Porn starts the fantasy portion of the mind going. But blaming porn for people being socially defunct is not correct. Sometimes there just is no correcting stupid :)

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 2:26:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Roch said that he hasn't seen any evidence of power exchange in any of the clips he's seen. That doesn't surprise me, since most of that takes place in the brain, and isn't (and to my mind, shouldn't be) apparent to those who are not engaged in it.

That said, what would you (speaking generally) find satisfactory and "realistic" in bdsm porn?

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 2:44:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do agree most porn is devoid of TPE or real emotion for that matter.

I have seen some clips though that are decent. I think RubberEva does okay and Natalia (the rubber whore) does a good job. Thats if you are into latex.

I guess what I want to see is the TPE. While it is mainly in the brain, the body does give off vibes. Now capturing that on camera is rather difficult. So many times the camera will focus on the Domme or sub but not both. So to see that power flow back and forth the camera man would need to capture that.

That assumes there is TPE versus the guy/girl just getting paid to do a job. I am sorry if she is staring into the camera and I not buying into she is experiencing TPE. Now if her eyes are rolling back into her head, her body arched, he face red flushed, then I might begin to believe it.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 3:37:49 PM   
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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 3:38:09 PM   
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I can think of one (just one) realistic porn film that I've seen, like, ever. And weirdly enough it was Chanta Rose. It was an extended thing with some woman (Berlin, my brain is saying? Redhead?) who she obviously knew quite well and was very fond of, and it felt like real power exchange. The woman didn't know what was going to happen next, and there were a couple of times when she really seemed overwhelmed. That felt like real life D/s interaction.

As to whether porn has made things better: I'm too new to be able to comment on that. But I've always seen it as a good filtering tool; if someone can't distinguish between porn and real life then I don't have to actually talk to them to determine whether or not they're an idiot, innit.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 6:56:06 PM   
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I wanted to say that you have a great question here, which I watch with great interest. I have encountered many a "do me" sub who seems really caught up in the porno effect. Fortunately my early wanker detection system has prevented me from having experienced it first errr.... hand.

I like the way you articulate. Sexy!

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 11:27:40 PM   
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Porn is just that, Porn, whether it be BDSM or Vanilla porn. I do not think any man with 1/2 brain would believe what he sees in porn is what he is going to expect.


Haha... then what percentage of men would you credit with having half a brain, mummyman? Because I certainly know a LOT of guys who have been influenced by the porno clip effect. You are right, that most guys, if asked, will make a great show of knowing the obvious difference between pornoreality and the real, but think about it—many of those guys never knew a thing about BDSM before watching the videos. The cinema images were the primary teacher and the avatar into the universe of kink. How much easily available kinkster porn do many guys consume before deciding to participate in real S&M play? And when that magical day finally happens, how much nonsense do they have to unlearn before they can even begin to learn what is real? I'm not making an anti porn argument, I'm just being provocative.


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Take vanilla porn....no man is really going to think this what he is going to get 2 minutes after meeting a hot dame. Porn starts the fantasy portion of the mind going. But blaming porn for people being socially defunct is not correct. Sometimes there just is no correcting stupid :)


But then, how many vanilla guys have a subconscious porno mindset with women, and don't even know it?

Symptoms:

- Setting a standard for female beauty based on plastic surgery porn stars
- Being horrible sexual communicators because they have spent so much time practicing the do-it-yourself plan
- Seeing women's bodies as and extension of masturbation, instead of as someone to reciprocate pleasure to
- Totally unrealistic idea of the type of women who would have sex with him
- Expects women to read his mind just like his right had does in his fantasies
- Believes that good sex is more about how loud one can grunt while smashing pelvises into each other
- 5 minutes of real sexual exertion feels like a 30 minute aerobics class

But I agree with you, some people are messed up from the get go.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 11:32:20 PM   
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Thank you for the compliment, but also know that it was far from my purpose or design to solicit it.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/6/2012 11:40:36 PM   
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I checked your profile and you and I are almost in the same age group. So I am going to try and say this a different way. Think in terms of music. Did music videos really kill music? Did the Ramones really kill punk?


Oh no, everyone knows that it was Green Day who killed punk!


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The commercialization you are talking about is the same thing. People want to fight the idea that they are common. That they are just like everyone else. We all do it on some level. As kids we try hard to fit in but as adults we want to believe we are individual.


I know exactly what you mean. My friends and I used to call it the "uniform of nonconformity" like all the original rebels who managed to wear exactly the same styles of rebel clothes in high school. We're so different!!! (as a group of course)

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 3:18:05 AM   
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@ GloriousMorning

Thank you for the compliment, but also know that it was far from my purpose or design to solicit it.


Oh, I know.. Which perhaps makes it even more appealing. I just happen to find men who are skillfully verbose quite sexy. Its a well deserved compliment.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 3:43:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		hahahaha Green day didn't kill punk. Punk was dead long before most of those boys were born. Though I do like Flogging Molly if it counts for anything.

I am amused by the fact that you paint that men are almost stupid when it comes to things like porn. Yes, there are those that buy into it but for the most part they don't. The same way I said most women don't walk around thinking their life will end up like Sex and the city. There are some that hope it will but few are foolish enough to believe it will. I think a large part of it has to do with age. When we are young we believe things we shouldn't so we paint images of what we think it will be like. As we age we learn what things are really like.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 6:35:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I met many fellow subs way before internet porn was around. Many of them had unrealistic ideas about sexuality. They got them from magazines and books.

Speaking personally I'm thrilled there's so much excellent porn around in particular, as mentioned above, the work of people like Chanta Rose.

I've never forgotten plucking up my courage to go into a small cinema in the '60s to watch what was billed as a sadomasochistic movie but which turned out to be forty minutes of a woman in a beach buggy chasing a man over some dunes. It was expensive and disappointing and also led me to wonder whether or not there was something wrong with me as I didn't get turned on. Perhaps if I saw it again now I'd change my mind.

The downside is of course the more porn there is the more exploitative porn there is and I'd like to see some easy protocols in place for regular porn viewers to report anything that raises suspicion.

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 7:17:27 PM   
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Clearly porno movies/clips/websites have advertised and introduced WIIWD to the world. In some ways it seems to have made D/s more mainstream and less of a sexual insanity in the vanilla world. But I've also talked to people who were in the scene long before porn ever began mainstreaming BDSM ( when was that.....1683?) onto Beta tapes (oh....sorry....tech....got it), and they almost all feel that things have been permanently altered in the lifestyle as a result of the porno clip doorway being swung opened.

The porno doorway swung open when beta tapes came about? (color me surprised).

So my question is, does porn do more good for D/s, or more harm overall?


Bigger question is....did you determine that porn just showed up about 30 years ago? Because as best as I can tell....they've been writing this shit on cave walls since your great, great, great, great, great, great (etc.) gramma was around
since they figured out what dirt was.


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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 7:36:34 PM   
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Bigger question is....did you determine that porn just showed up about 30 years ago?


No, I get that. That's why this thread is called the porno CLIP effect. I'm talking specifically about the preponderance of S&M porno movies that may (or may not) have had an effect on real-world BDSM in past decades.

I am not aware of any cavemen showing mpegs on the cave walls of Lascaux or Chauvet... but who knows?

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 7:46:04 PM   
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Though I do like Flogging Molly if it counts for anything.



Dropkick Murphy is better.


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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 7:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think like all things some people interpret it differently to others. While some of what occurs in some BDSM porn can be replicated (think of it as inspiration maybe), some people are going to be sorely disappointed to find out that your average sub can't get the shit whipped out of her like a Paingate girl.

Doesn't mean it's not fun to watch if you're a sensible person



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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/7/2012 8:19:34 PM   
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Bigger question is....did you determine that porn just showed up about 30 years ago?


No, I get that. That's why this thread is called the porno CLIP effect. I'm talking specifically about the preponderance of S&M porno movies that may (or may not) have had an effect on real-world BDSM in past decades.

I am not aware of any cavemen showing mpegs on the cave walls of Lascaux or Chauvet... but who knows?



(That was only because SD cards weren't available for another 120,000 years)

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RE: The Porno Clip Effect - 2/8/2012 5:39:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Bigger question is....did you determine that porn just showed up about 30 years ago? Because as best as I can tell....they've been writing this shit on cave walls since your great, great, great, great, great, great (etc.) gramma was around
since they figured out what dirt was.

I would go along with the rough thirty years estimate if we are talking about moving images. What some call the "Golden Age of Porn" started around 1971 or so but because it was relatively mainstream, there wasn't a great deal of BDSM in it, with maybe a few exceptions like the Story of O which was fairly mild. Although it seems the quality of porn went downhill when video took over ten years later, it at least allowed greater specialisation because the cost of production was far lower and could go to a specialised audience. I haven't seen much porn from the 80's (a bit before my time) but I assume this was when BDSM really made an impact ['scuse the pun].

Putting the archaeology hat on for a mo', I don't think the cave painting which appeared roughly 40,000 years ago in France/Spain qualifies because these works are interpreted as involving religion. Most of the images involve animals so if it did then we would have to think that our ancestors were big into bestiality! Same thing with the primative venus figurines which invoked fertility. I think porn came about more in ancient Greek/Roman times when there was a much greater sense of realism in art, and images of a very explicit nature were found in Pompeii etc. even though it still had some loose association with religion. Maybe thats a new definition for porn: explicit sexual imagery sans religious belief...

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