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Civility - 2/7/2012 10:25:47 AM   
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One of the problems with this country is that I think people have become less civil and polite in every day life.  One of my resolutions this year is to be more civil.  However, this was just put to the test.  I was driving to work this morning and had pulled into the street that runs into my parking lot.  The car in front of me stopped suddenly right in the middle of the street.  I honked my horn at him, and he pulled ahead, and turned into the parking lot.  The driver than waited for me to get out of my car, and started screaming at me!  He told me he had a "bad heart" and needed to take a pill.  I told him that he still shouldn't stop in the middle of the street.  As I turned around and walked off, he yelled "Do you want to see people die?" 

I saw little to be gained from confronting the guy, but the more I think about it, the more of a dick I think he was being.  Even if you are having a medical emergency, stopping in the middle of the street is bound to lead to an accident.  And, if his health is that bad, maybe he shouldn't be driving.  Finally, why get so upset over someone honking their horn?  Is that really that "uncivil" of an action?

I don't know, what do you think?

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:01:05 AM   
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I think his heart challenged ass shoulda pulled to the side of the road.

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:05:14 AM   
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That's what I thought, but he was still really angry



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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:31:34 AM   
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I'm laughing because I came here right after looking over your thread about the Catholics and birth control.  you know, the one where you say "screw them." 

Sorry... but I just found it fucking hilarious.

As for the guy who delayed you for a few seconds... give him the benefit of the doubt (you don't know how long he had to take that pill) and cut him some slack. 

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:37:43 AM   
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I don't play video games but I try to look at driving as a video game. The other cars are just there to challenge my skills. Obstacles to be avoided. I try to forget there are morons behind the wheel of that obstacle. It saves me a lot of uncivil cursing.

But yes, I do think that civility seems to be disappearing. Especially towards those that provide various services. One I see consistently is rudeness to cashiers. We are talking people working a minimum wage job, or nearly so. Many times they are people unable to get a more highly skilled job or kids doing a part time job while in school. Or, often times people that do not have the best life. What possible good does it do to treat them poorly EVEN if they've screwed up? It doesn't help them do their job any better. Usually the opposite.

Yet so many times I've been in a checkout line and seen someone in front of me being an utter asshole (often times some 'sweet' little old lady, or a soccer mom with her cell phone glued to her ear....something else that is rude) to a flustered cashier battling some computerized retard of a cash register. It's just uncalled for.


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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:40:03 AM   
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I think I did cut him some slack, since I did not engage in an argument with him.

As for your comment about my Catholic Church thread, what does that have to do with it?  I will still have opinions, political and religious, and they may be very critical.  Doesn't mean I can't deal with individuals I engage with day to day in a calm and polite manner.  In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think turning around and walking away from the crazy guy this morning was just exactly the right way to handle it.


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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:42:21 AM   
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I know what you are saying about rudeness to clerks and things.  Unfortunately, those kinds of employees often bear the brunt of anger about their company's policies.  Do people really think that cashiers at department stores are the ones who determine the company's return or staffing policies?  Apparently some people do, since the poor cashiers seem to be the ones who get the blame.
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I don't play video games but I try to look at driving as a video game. The other cars are just there to challenge my skills. Obstacles to be avoided. I try to forget there are morons behind the wheel of that obstacle. It saves me a lot of uncivil cursing.

But yes, I do think that civility seems to be disappearing. Especially towards those that provide various services. One I see consistently is rudeness to cashiers. We are talking people working a minimum wage job, or nearly so. Many times they are people unable to get a more highly skilled job or kids doing a part time job while in school. Or, often times people that do not have the best life. What possible good does it do to treat them poorly EVEN if they've screwed up? It doesn't help them do their job any better. Usually the opposite.

Yet so many times I've been in a checkout line and seen someone in front of me being an utter asshole (often times some 'sweet' little old lady, or a soccer mom with her cell phone glued to her ear....something else that is rude) to a flustered cashier battling some computerized retard of a cash register. It's just uncalled for.



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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 11:51:51 AM   
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You guys should move to Louisville. I hardly ever see someone being mean to a clerk or waiter. (and I shop a LOT!)

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:12:06 PM   
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You guys should move to Louisville. I hardly ever see someone being mean to a clerk or waiter. (and I shop a LOT!)


I would be eternally grateful if I never had to shop again.


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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:22:47 PM   
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quote:

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I know what you are saying about rudeness to clerks and things.  Unfortunately, those kinds of employees often bear the brunt of anger about their company's policies.  Do people really think that cashiers at department stores are the ones who determine the company's return or staffing policies?  Apparently some people do, since the poor cashiers seem to be the ones who get the blame.



Master and I were in the $1 store on a Saturday. (Best place for cheap Halloween decorations) It was absolutely mobbed. At the register one over from us, some guy was screaming at the poor teenage girl. She was terrified and everyone else just watched.

Master, who is an ex-linebacker, went over and got into the guys personal space, crossed his arms and raised an eyebrow. The guy decided it was time to leave. I couldn't believe that everyone else had just stood there.


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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:23:01 PM   
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quote:

I think I did cut him some slack, since I did not engage in an argument with him.


Actually, I'm thinking about when you honked.  How long did you wait before you honked?  How loudly?  And how dangerous was the situation?  I know how frustrating it is when someone impedes your driving but sometimes there is a legitimate reason.  I learned about that the hard way, years ago when I was still a young punk.

HONK! HONK!  COME ON YA OLD FART!  YOU WAITING FOR A PARTICULAR SHADE OF GREEN?  HONK! HONK!  MOVE YOUR WRINKLY ASS!  Oh screw this I'm going around him.  VROOOOM!  SCREEEEEECH!  OH SHIT!  AMBULANCE!  Maybe I should turn the music down.

Sure, we can argue that he should have pulled over (or not be driving in the first place) but that point is moot.  He was there and the situation existed.  He was probably scared or he may have been confused about where to turn and the whole heart problem was just a cover story.  Either way it boils down to this:  His stopping in the middle of the road irked you.  Your honking irked him.  Normal (if not exactly admirable) human responses.  I do, in fact think, you did the right thing by walking away when the shouting started.  Now it's time to let it go... just like I no longer dwell on that asshat fucktard who was tailgating me last month!  Oh I hope he gets his!  I hope he ends up in a ditch and slowly bleeds to death!
 
Alright I admit it... these things piss me off too... but that is all the more reason why I strive to overcome such feelings.  Maybe, just maybe, the speed demon was racing home to be at the bedside of his dying mother or something.  It is that lack of knowledge why we should cut people some slack... we never really know.

As for what this has to do with your thread on the Catholics opposistion to having to provide birth control... well, like I said, it just struck me as funny that here you are saying "screw them" and five seconds later I'm reading your complaint about a lack of civility.  It struck me like someone saying "this country is too fat" while they dig their spoon into a pint of Ben & Jerry's.

By the way, if you want to screw the Catholics, be my guest... but bring your own birth control... I don't think they'll provide you with any. 





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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:23:14 PM   
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I would have said calmly, "no. Just you."
But I'm a jerk like that.
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As I turned around and walked off, he yelled "Do you want to see people die?" 





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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:25:19 PM   
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Especially towards those that provide various services. One I see consistently is rudeness to cashiers. We are talking people working a minimum wage job, or nearly so. Many times they are people unable to get a more highly skilled job or kids doing a part time job while in school. Or, often times people that do not have the best life. What possible good does it do to treat them poorly EVEN if they've screwed up? It doesn't help them do their job any better. Usually the opposite.

Yet so many times I've been in a checkout line and seen someone in front of me being an utter asshole (often times some 'sweet' little old lady, or a soccer mom with her cell phone glued to her ear....something else that is rude) to a flustered cashier battling some computerized retard of a cash register. It's just uncalled for.


Yeah, that shit pisses me off too.



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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:27:31 PM   
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Wellllll,
If it was nitroglycerin or asprin and he had to take it rightthatsecond because he felt the beginnings of a heart attack then I can see stopping right there because for either of those time is of the essence- although in the process of taking the pill immediately he was putting himself and others in danger. So, die by a heart attack or get killed by someone plowing into your car, and perhaps kill them as well. Not a great choice, but the only plausible one I can see for your scenario so far as to why someone would stop immediately.

As far as not being in shape to drive, he might have been fine when he got in the car as a heart attack can be rather sudden. But, for him to take the time to berate you afterwards tells me he wasn't all that concerned for his health - why make his heart rate go up even more? If it were a true emergency he might have asked you for help instead of bitching, which makes me believe he wasn't in a true state of emergency when he stopped in the middle of the street. If he were really upset and worried about his health I believe his attitude when he got out of the car would have been rather shaken and worried.

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:34:43 PM   
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People are fucking irritating. Some more than others.
Some days I have more patience than others.

Here in TX ... I have found most people pretty civil and friendly. There are always going to be times in life no matter where you are where someone is going to push you past a point where you need to say what needs to be said, regardless of their feelings.

Im not a huge fan of PC anyways - But I try to keep my world somewhat within boundaries of logic and common sense, and if I stumble across someone who is way out of it - I sometimes will and do let them know about it. Not always though ~

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 12:58:36 PM   
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Speaking of tailgating, thank god I wasn't, or I would have plowed into the back of the old geezer.  The road is basically a frontage road for a couple of office buildings, a hotel, and a commercial oil company.  Not exactly a busy street, but not one where it is a good idea to just stop, either.
When I took driver's ed many, many MANY years ago, they taught us that it was appropriate to give a "short, friendly tap" on the horn.  That is basically what I did.  For some reason, though, he felt the need to confront me about it.  He started by pointing out the handicapped placard hanging from his rearview mirror.  The old Iamsemisweet would have undoubtedly poiinted out that I couldn't have seen the placard when I honked since I was behind him, and that being allowed to park in handicapped spaces did not exempt him from the rules of the road. 
But, because of my resolution, I chose not to get involved in an unseemly argument in front of my office building.  I hope my resolution to lose weight goes as well.  And is there such a thing as a "short, friendly tap" on your horn?
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I think I did cut him some slack, since I did not engage in an argument with him.


Actually, I'm thinking about when you honked.  How long did you wait before you honked?  How loudly?  And how dangerous was the situation?  I know how frustrating it is when someone impedes your driving but sometimes there is a legitimate reason.  I learned about that the hard way, years ago when I was still a young punk.

HONK! HONK!  COME ON YA OLD FART!  YOU WAITING FOR A PARTICULAR SHADE OF GREEN?  HONK! HONK!  MOVE YOUR WRINKLY ASS!  Oh screw this I'm going around him.  VROOOOM!  SCREEEEEECH!  OH SHIT!  AMBULANCE!  Maybe I should turn the music down.

Sure, we can argue that he should have pulled over (or not be driving in the first place) but that point is moot.  He was there and the situation existed.  He was probably scared or he may have been confused about where to turn and the whole heart problem was just a cover story.  Either way it boils down to this:  His stopping in the middle of the road irked you.  Your honking irked him.  Normal (if not exactly admirable) human responses.  I do, in fact think, you did the right thing by walking away when the shouting started.  Now it's time to let it go... just like I no longer dwell on that asshat fucktard who was tailgating me last month!  Oh I hope he gets his!  I hope he ends up in a ditch and slowly bleeds to death!
 
Alright I admit it... these things piss me off too... but that is all the more reason why I strive to overcome such feelings.  Maybe, just maybe, the speed demon was racing home to be at the bedside of his dying mother or something.  It is that lack of knowledge why we should cut people some slack... we never really know.

As for what this has to do with your thread on the Catholics opposistion to having to provide birth control... well, like I said, it just struck me as funny that here you are saying "screw them" and five seconds later I'm reading your complaint about a lack of civility.  It struck me like someone saying "this country is too fat" while they dig their spoon into a pint of Ben & Jerry's.

By the way, if you want to screw the Catholics, be my guest... but bring your own birth control... I don't think they'll provide you with any. 






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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 1:26:18 PM   
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The guy was an asshole!
You don't stop in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!
What, he had to talk on his phone or adjust his hairy testicles or something?
"EVERYONE WAIT FOR ME! I'M MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU AND MY TIME IS MORE VALUABLE THAN YOUR'S IS!"
Assholes!
When I make a turn I try to get off the main road as soon as possible.
And when someone is rude or cuts me off or something like that I make the drinking a bottle motion and that usually shuts them up.
I can't tell you how many times I've almost been in an accident because of assholes talking or texting on their phones!
They really do need to outlaw that!
So, it wasn't "you" being rude it was the asshole who stopped in the middle of the road. If a cop saw him do that he'd get a ticket for.....?

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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 1:39:52 PM   
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The response to "do you want to see somebody die" should have been "no, and since I didn't want to be the someone when I got rearended because of your stopping suddenly, that's why I honked".

Although I doubt it would have gotten through to him.

Driving is a defensive activity. If you aren't actively expecting everyone around you to do something wrong, then you're doing it wrong. Because they will.


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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 2:56:26 PM   
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You know, maybe it's just me but I just don't run into a lot of rude people when I'm out and about. Most of them are actually pretty nice, especially when I moved here to Baltimore. People hold doors open, say excuse me and thank you, will talk to you even when you're just passing them on the street lol.

Now that's not to say I don't run into some rude people but it seems to be a vehicle thing. The rude people I run into seem to be people behind the wheel of a car. I think it has something to do with frustration of traffic, being late, nervousness of driving, road rage, etc...It seems to me that as soon as someone gets in a car their entire mood changes.


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RE: Civility - 2/7/2012 3:08:04 PM   
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I'm a bit baffled about this being an issue because this sort of thing happens to me virtually every time I drive more than a few miles. Today a woman parked so close to my passenger door that she couldn't get out of the car and had to get out of her own passenger side. We both arrived back at our cars at the same time and she called me a stupid cow for parking so close to her car
Yesterday I was driving carefully because the road was icy and a big 4x4 tail gates me, flashes his lights at me and eventually overtakes me giving me the middle finger sign.
I've had a woman threaten to punch me and another drunk old woman scrape down the side of my car and when I asked for her insurance details she suggested I was having a bad hair day! OMG and all of this has happened since the NY. If I saw a car parked in the middle of the road of course I would honk my horn, everyone would. Over here it would of been an entire street of honking horns. Would I of expected the inconsiderate driver to shout at me? sure I would but then road rage over here is just a symptom of owning a car!

I can't say I see many rude shoppers over here (English people when not in their cars are cowards). Customer service over here used to be really bad but its getting better and better all the time.

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