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Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 12:04:28 AM

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 4:58:05 AM

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We have a gentlemans club here nearby. The owner has taken some heat.

Sometimes those places do attract an element not cohesive with neighborhood living.

I think some get way too upset with nudity. ...blah blah blah the children...blah blah blah children....

I live adjacent to the business district. A car lot- with their loud speaker intercom would not work. A paint shop with fumes would not work. So I am not picking on just a nudie bar -- many businesses would be- annoying to have within earshot of my living room window.

I can only conclude that church people are born with clothes on, and never have pleasurable sex. ;-)

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 5:06:45 AM

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There's a jiggle joint not far from me thats being hassled even though its been in business for a long time. I don't know why they don't leave these businesses alone as long as they are treating their employees right and are on the up an up legally.
I think your right about the religious types, born with clothes on and never have sex...I wonder how they have so many kids that way?

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 5:18:50 AM

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The world is nuts. I used to teach life study classes at an art college just round the corner from a red light area and once we had a series of complaints from some female students that life study was exploitation of women while defending the right of women to sell sex for cash because marriage was worse sexual exploitation.

I didn't have the heart to tell them we mainly used a male model.

Sometimes we had a female model but sssh!

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 10:44:45 AM

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i'm not big on the pasties (using them constantly can't possibly be good on the nipples!) but gee a g-string--unless there's a whole lot of other stringent rules for the clubs, i can't see that as being that bad. All the alcohol bars out here have a topless only rule...now that one i don't get. Some clubs get around it with a nude room. 18+ is allowed to see everything, but if you're old enough to drink, sorry just boobies!

There's clubs out here that have a 3 or 6 foot rule between dancers and customers, now things like that are just getting ridiculous!

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 12:02:24 PM

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Ah Bars with topless waitresses. I remember a pub where I used to live employed topless waitresses to try to get more custom. One old timer said rather dryly, while the waitresses had improved the view, they hadn't improved the beer.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 12:46:37 PM

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Land of the free my ass! More like the land of agree with me or be sued. Unfortunately nobody sticks up for strip clubs because there is no real upside to.

It is the old I can't or don't think this is right therefore nobody should enjoy it as well.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 2:07:20 PM

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First, I'm Christian and I was definately not born with clothes on AND I enjoy sex.

Second... the article says that they got in trouble because someone complained about the nudity. What I'm wondering, is who goes into a strip club and then complains about whatever they may see in there? That doesn't really make much sense to me.

I wouldn't go to a strip club since it's against my own beliefs and desires, but as long as they card their visitors and don't have wide open windows/doors so passers-by can see inside... it's their business.

Oh... and I happen to live next to one. There are a lot in my area. Not far from the strip joint is a middle school. As far as I'm concerned, if these businesses keep their business INSIDE and let no hint of it be visible from the outside there shouldn't be too much of a problem.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/2/2006 3:12:29 PM

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Ironic that the YNOT web page containing the article is peppered with Channel 69 Sex banner ads.

Oh my my ... how nice nice .... are those real.... or are they fake pasties?

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 8:59:06 AM

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A couple of things about strippers, strip clubs and public morality. First of all, there is a long tradition in American cities of using zoning/nuisance regulation for political purposes. Zoning laws are used to keep out people of different races and religions, "discriminated" businesses (i.e. strip clubs), and folks you just don't like (WalMart). That Boise is enforcing a fairly stupid, but common law should surprise no one.

But in fact, there is legitimate reason to regulate some adult activities. I have no problem with limiting alcohol/nudity within 500 yards of a school or church for instance. But I agree, the moralistic paranoia in this country can be extreme. On the other hand, never doubt that these laws are passed by elected officials who get reelected on the strength of "We kept Boise clean".

and a few corrections, as one who has worked in the "adult entertainment" industry in a few capacities: Rarely are pasties used, except for "effect". Liquid latex is used to cover the nipples in establishments where showing the full breast is illegal (in Cook County, IL, the women can go full nude IF there is no alcohol served. But if you serve booze, you can't have naked nipples in the same room. I think its some reflection of the wild hormonal state Jack Daniels and tits can produce, but I'm not sure of the legislative history).

Uh lisa1978, you are wrong...LOTS of people stick up for strip clubs. They just don't do it in a way you can see the results. They do it through legal means (like hiring me to represent them in zoning fights) or less legal means (paying off the precinct). There is a lot of money in owning strip clubs...and a lot of untraceable cash money, too. Just because you don't see pickets and TV ads supporting "our right to get jiggy" don't think that support isn't there.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 9:30:55 AM

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Uh lisa1978, you are wrong...LOTS of people stick up for strip clubs. They just don't do it in a way you can see the results. They do it through legal means (like hiring me to represent them in zoning fights) or less legal means (paying off the precinct). There is a lot of money in owning strip clubs...and a lot of untraceable cash money, too. Just because you don't see pickets and TV ads supporting "our right to get jiggy" don't think that support isn't there.

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I have to respectfully dissagree. Paying lawyers or bribes is not "sticking up for strip clubs" it is the price of doing business. That is mutual economic gain.

Sticking up is a city council member, an average joe, or any public figure stating on record support or at least no harm/no big deal.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 1:38:10 PM

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I have to respectfully dissagree. Paying lawyers or bribes is not "sticking up for strip clubs" it is the price of doing business. That is mutual economic gain.
Sticking up is a city council member, an average joe, or any public figure stating on record support or at least no harm/no big deal.

Its the average Joes and Janes that are the patrons that stick up for them by making it a multi-billion dollar a year business.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 2:00:30 PM

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(in Cook County, IL, the women can go full nude IF there is no alcohol served. But if you serve booze, you can't have naked nipples in the same room. I think its some reflection of the wild hormonal state Jack Daniels and tits can produce, but I'm not sure of the legislative history).

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Maybe they can invent special glasses that fog up as soon as a glass with booze in it touches the lips... hand them out to the patrons....

.......... "no officer, I didn't see any nipples!"

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 2:06:17 PM

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quote:

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I have to respectfully dissagree. Paying lawyers or bribes is not "sticking up for strip clubs" it is the price of doing business. That is mutual economic gain.
Sticking up is a city council member, an average joe, or any public figure stating on record support or at least no harm/no big deal.

Its the average Joes and Janes that are the patrons that stick up for them by making it a multi-billion dollar a year business.

Again I will have to politely dissagree. That is not public support. So whenever a person with some power and personal beliefs that the cocept of personal freedom is stupid or a politician during an election year propose these laws, there are no other political figure, regular people at govenrment meetings or anyone else fighting back with even remotely the same fervor.

It is not public support when the only defense is money and taking the government to court. Not a level playing field. In MO/KS we have zealots that picket adult bookstores and right down the license plates of patrons and nobody does anything. What if somone fitness/religious nuts decided God ruled fast food evil and started the same tactics at McDonalds. Something tells me things would be a lot different.

Strip bars, flag burning, seperation of church and state and gay marriage are just go to topics for politicians to distract and/or draw voters away from issues that really matter and how they should be judged on. Because few outside of those directly affected stand up against them or care. They are easy targets for bullies.

These are the front lines of the attacks on our freedoms.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 2:42:54 PM

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There's a jiggle joint not far from me thats being hassled even though its been in business for a long time. I don't know why they don't leave these businesses alone as long as they are treating their employees right and are on the up an up legally.
I think your right about the religious types, born with clothes on and never have sex...I wonder how they have so many kids that way?

~Lashra

Every time they open a casino in a new community, the crime rate skyrockets. rape, burglary, assault and battery, etc., etc., etc. If i recall correctly, there's an old US Supreme Court decision upholding a zoning ordinance which restricts strip clubs, X-rated video stores, peep shows, etc, etc, etc. to a certain physical area of the city.

Seems like a balanced answer to me. i certainly don't have a better one.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 7:55:16 PM

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I have no problem with limiting alcohol/nudity within 500 yards of a school or church for instance

I can see some validity in limiting it near a school, but why near a church?

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 8:27:06 PM

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Arpig... I think because many churches have schools or daycares. However, I think more than one Deacon/Preacher/Priest/Rabbi/etc has prolly spent some time in an adult bookstore/jiggle joint (Gosh I love that word)... In the case of the Churches it could very well be a case of the "Delicate sensibilities" of the Churchgoers. Some folks might get offended and whatnot. (Especially in your more Southern areas, fondly known as the "Bible Belt")

I figure "God made boobies too, yanno?" I don't patronize the jiggle joints, myself, because I can't see a point in paying to see what I shouldn't be touching (Legally) so I can go home to my hand. That money is better spent on toys! But I don't fault the guys who do, because unlike myself, they may not get off on a new flogger and a willing bottom.

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RE: Charged with aiding and abetting wanton nudity - 6/3/2006 11:14:55 PM

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arpig said:

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I can see some validity in limiting it near a school, but why near a church?

You ever see a Southern Baptist convention on the town? Or a Hasidic stag party? Trust me, arpig, its NOT pretty. Vote for the limitations.

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