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Well, since you cannot provide an exact number.. which I knew you could not, your claim is baseless.

You read all quarter million entries [8|]

Arizona law didnt pass until 2010.

What has that got to do with anything?

Voters passed medical marijuana last fall, but Arizona's Department of Health Services put the dispensary program on hold until the federal government can weigh in on the legality of Arizona's law.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northeast_valley/scottsdale/attorney%3A-medical-marijuana-patients-being-arrested#ixzz1lvgCGHXB

If they are not getting it legally, they are breaking the law.

The feds say the fed law trumps state law...if that is in fact the case then there is no legal marijuana.

As far as closing down dispensaries in California....

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Going after property owners is not a new tactic though, Hermes said. Five years ago, the Department of Justice under President George W. Bush made similar threats to about 300 Los Angeles-area landlords who were renting space to medical marijuana outlets, some of whom were eventually evicted or closed their doors voluntarily, he said.

"It did have an impact. However, the federal government never acted on its threats, never prosecuted anybody, never even went to court to begin prosecutions," Hermes said. "By and large, they were empty threats, but they relied on them and the cost of postage to shut down as many facilities as they could without having to engage in criminal enforcement activity."
Besides the dozen dispensaries in San Diego and the one in Marin County, at least three shops in San Francisco already have received closure notices, said Dale Gieringer, director of the California chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.
The San Diego medical marijuana outlets put on notice were the same 12 that city officials sued last month for operating illegally, after activists there threatened to force an election on a zoning plan adopted to regulate the city's fast-growing medical marijuana industry, City Attorney Jan Goldsmith said. A judge on Wednesday ordered nine of the targeted shops to close, while the other three shut down voluntarily, Goldsmith said.

wow, 300 under Bush... but Obama is worse. Yeah, Im not seeing the numbers you claim to possess.

Well I gave you a quarter of a million cites and for some reason you are unable to find them. Why is that?

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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I looked. No such data was available for just medical marijuana users. A link would be appreciated.

I keep wondering if there has been a perception that has emerged because in states like California, there are HUGE numbers of people who just "get something" so they can have a medical M script.

You know this because you are a doctor and you have first hand information on all of these people's medical history?

And since these folks continue doing all the other shit they do like drive for instance.


Is there some objective test for impaired driving concerning marijuana

    My neighbor Dave confided in me this New Year's eve that his brother in law was out for the july 4th week last year and started smoking weed on the front porch. The 80-something year old called the cops and complained. The cops came by, because here in mass, it's a civil offense and still has to be responded to since it can also entail disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct.
   So anyway, Dave said a cop arrived that we both know as a pretty reasonable guy and talked to his brother in law (BIL). His BIL told the cop he had a condition of jaw pain and his dentist gave him a permanent prescription, entitling him to a state Marijuana buyer's card (or whatever they call it). The cop reminded him it wasn't california and told him to stash the weed or lose it and suffer the the additional consequences of ticketing and arrest for disorderly conduct for refusing to comply.
Guess who got released under their own recognizance a few hours later?
   I'd bet any amount of money that is recorded somewhere as an arrest of a medical marijuana user in someone's statistical base.

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Well I gave you a quarter of a million cites and for some reason you are unable to find them. Why is that?

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The only people who label themselves as independent are those republicrats and demopubs who were born without the balls that god gave a girlscout.

I'm curious... so where's all that leave you?
Not implying anything here. It's true curiosity. You seem to post as a guy right in the middle of the spectrum.

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QP25: Can I grow my own marijuana?

According to state law, a qualifying patient or the qualifying patient's caregiver may be
allowed to grow marijuana only if a dispensary is not operating within twenty-five (25)
miles of the qualifying patient's home. Since no dispensaries will be operating when the
first qualifying patients obtain a registry identification card, all qualifying patients will be
approved to cultivate if they request approval to cultivate.

QP26: Can I grow marijuana outside?
You can grow marijuana outside if you are authorized to cultivate marijuana and you
comply with the law, growing the marijuana in an enclosed, locked facility: a closet,
room, greenhouse, or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices
that permit access only by a cardholder. "Enclosed area" is defined in rule as an
outdoor space surrounded by solid 10-foot walls constructed of metal, concrete, or
stone that prevent any viewing of the marijuana plants, with a one-inch-thick metal gate.

QP27: How will I know if I am authorized to grow marijuana?
A qualifying patient who is willing and able to cultivate marijuana for his/her use or
wants to have a designated caregiver grow marijuana for the qualifying patient's use
should indicate a desire to cultivate marijuana on the application. The Department will
check to see if the qualifying patient's address is within a 25 mile radius of the nearest
operating dispensary. If there is no dispensary within a 25 mile radius of the qualifying
patient's home, the Department will issue the qualifying patient or the designated
caregiver a registry identification card indicating authorization to grow marijuana.
If there is a dispensary within a 25 mile radius, the Department will send the qualifying
patient a list of all dispensaries along with a registry identification card indicating that the qualifying patient is not authorized to grow marijuana. The registration identification card issued to the qualifying patient's designated caregiver would also indicate that the
designated caregiver is not authorized to grow marijuana.


http://www.azdhs.gov/medicalmarijuana/documents/faqs/Qualifying_Patients_FAQs.pdf

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Well I gave you a quarter of a million cites and for some reason you are unable to find them. Why is that?

Because none of your "sites" give a comprehensive list, which does not allow for a comparison between the administrations. Again, you cannot prove your claim.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

bloody hell Thompson could you be any more persnikkety?

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You know this because you are a doctor and you have first hand information on all of these people's medical history?

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Is there some objective test for impaired driving concerning marijuana

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Well I gave you a quarter of a million cites and for some reason you are unable to find them. Why is that?

Because none of your "sites" give a comprehensive list, which does not allow for a comparison between the administrations. Again, you cannot prove your claim.

None of the quarter of a million cites I furnished you does that?
I believe you are being more than just a little disingenuous.
You are clearly not interested in discussion.

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Of the states that have medical marijuana laws each is different.
I live in california and you want to quote me arizona law.
Why?

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Would you be so kind as to refresh my memory of what I have posted that was right in the middle of the spectrum?
I believe I have advocated $20 as the minimum wage.
I believe I have advocated the legalization of all drugs.
I believe I have advocated that the 2nd ammendment does not need to be "tinkered" with.
I believe I have advocated for the end of welfare for the rich.
I believe I have advocated for the abolition of all corporations.
Which of the above do you feel are right in the middle of the spectrum?

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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You know this because you are a doctor and you have first hand information on all of these people's medical history?

Know what? That they're faking?
Okay, I suppose it's possible that california is the 'sickest state in the union' and that all the people who I always thought in my 30 years following the Grateful Dead all over hell were havung fun, were actually very very ill[:D]


Perhaps you could tell us how many medical marijuana patients there are in california?
Would that number reflect all of your druggie friends who had acquied mm scripts?

  Dude, I was out obne time a few years ago to see Warren Haynes Solo at the Fillmore and a friend of mine who is a thoracic surgeon offered to do the paperwork so I could accompany him into a pot club just down the block... so don't give me that shit. YES in California, there are plenty of fakes.

Perhaps you might tell us how a thoracic surgeon would be writing a script for mm?
What this proves is that you allege that you know one unethical doctor and you base all of your suppositions on this encounter...
I doubt that you would invest money on such evidence but you wish to bet your reputation that most if not all mm scripts are bogus.

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Is there some objective test for impaired driving concerning marijuana

Well the smell and smoke of some really stinky indica flowing out of the windows as the cop approaches the driver's side probably helps the cop with the diagnosis a bit.

That you are smoking in front of a cop is not evidence that you are impared? My question remains unanswered.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Well I gave you a quarter of a million cites and for some reason you are unable to find them. Why is that?

Because none of your "sites" give a comprehensive list, which does not allow for a comparison between the administrations. Again, you cannot prove your claim.

None of the quarter of a million cites I furnished you does that?
I believe you are being more than just a little disingenuous.
You are clearly not interested in discussion.

Nope. You made the claim. I looked, didnt find it.

You lied about reading a quarter of a million cites.
Had you read them you would have found it.
You will never find someting you do not want to find.


Its up to you to back up your claim.

I did with a quarter of a million cites which you refuse to read but claim you have. Really a quarter of a million in less than a few minutes.

Your lack of ability says you cant.


Your lack of desire to read what you do not wish to says you cant.

Back it up or shut it up on this topic.

Because you choose not to read the proof should indicate that you are the one who needs to shut it up on this topic.

A total count of the number of marijuana arrests made under Bush per year and under Obama per year. Nothing less will do.

Then go look at the quarter of a million cites that I provided you,
nothing less will do.

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Perhaps you could tell us how many medical marijuana patients there are in california?
Would that number reflect all of your druggie friends who had acquied mm scripts?

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Sure, right after you tell us about all the legitimate ones you know of first hand.

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Perhaps you might tell us how a thoracic surgeon would be writing a script for mm?

With a pen. And now that you've checked the 'I'm spookey' box on the form... that's about all I'm gonna share. The guy is my friend.

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What this proves is that you allege that you know one unethical doctor and you base all of your suppositions on this encounter...

Yeah, if it insulates my friends with kooks , I'm fine with that. [:D]

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I doubt that you would invest money on such evidence but you wish to bet your reputation that most if not all mm scripts are bogus.

Reputation with who? Never mind, I am sure it won't be with anyone of consequence to me.

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Of the states that have medical marijuana laws each is different.
I live in california and you want to quote me arizona law.
Why?

Pst... hint.. 2010. Hard for Bush to have hit on medical marijuana patients in a state that didnt have medical marijuana legal at the time he was president, now isnt it. And since the "sites" you claimed have about half of them associated with Arizona, they are immediately tossed out of the pile.

Once again you are caught in a lie.
You have not had time enough to look at a quarter of a million cites and determine that half of them are anything.

Good try though.

Not even a good try.
Why don't you try reading some of the cites and disabuse yourself of your ignorance then we could have a discussion instead of you posting insignificant bullshit and flat out lies/

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Would you be so kind as to refresh my memory of what I have posted that was right in the middle of the spectrum?
I believe I have advocated $20 as the minimum wage.
I believe I have advocated the legalization of all drugs.
I believe I have advocated that the 2nd ammendment does not need to be "tinkered" with.
I believe I have advocated for the end of welfare for the rich.
I believe I have advocated for the abolition of all corporations.
Which of the above do you feel are right in the middle of the spectrum?

Sorry, except for really not giving a fuck about the 2nd amendment. I believe similar things and I see myself as moderate.

You and the rest of the moderates are in favor of legalzing heroin?
You and the rest of the moderates are in favor of $20 per hour minimum wage?
who knew?

I will admit that I haven't approached corporations quite the same way.

Anyone who believes in personal responsibility for ones actions cannnot be in favor of the institution that does away with personal responsibility.

Whatever, I got my answer to the degree you wanted to answer and I'm good with it.

If you were to be more specific I would be more than happy to answer specific questions.