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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/9/2012 6:50:39 PM   
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Word of Westboro’s plans spread quickly online and Occupy Seattle sounded a call for its members to counter protest the church. The group’s Facebook page said the church “has decided to capitalize on these sad events by bringing their unique brand of hate to Washington.”

Occupy Seattle said its members don’t intend to disrupt the funeral, but want to “protect it from Westboro’s abhorrent message.”


Phelp's is a truly sick individual. His constant pushing of his beliefs is going to turn extremely ugly one day.





I think you are right about that. I don't normally think violence solves anything, but I'll make an exception in their case.

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/9/2012 7:07:43 PM   
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Whoever said we mustn't ridicule or parody God or religion?

WBC, the religion that impersonates a religion, by its very existence, ridicules and parodies the Christian God and religion 24/7/365. Sorry, if it's OK for them it's OK for everyone else too.

ETA: I remember hearing about the activities of a group of bikers whose interventions to protect the innocent from WBC seems to have been effective in putting these WBC loonies off the radar for a while. Where are these guys when they're needed?



Who is saying it's ok for them?

Well, thb, if we aren't allowed to ridicule or parody God and religion we aren't allowed to ridicule or parody WBC. Whatever we might think of it, WBC is clearly a religion. WBC also claims to be a religion.

Just as it's covered by the US's Constitution, it's covered by the umbrella of religion. So it gets all the rights and privileges accorded to any religion. If God and religion is a parody- and ridicule-free zone, then WBC is a ridicule and parody free zone too.

Rather than derailing this thread I'll start another thread on this issue - it's an interesting issue IMHO.

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/9/2012 9:52:54 PM   
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Just as it's covered by the US's Constitution, it's covered by the umbrella of religion. So it gets all the rights and privileges accorded to any religion.


The Constitution offers protection from the government oppression and affords the religion freedom to exist. It does not afford them a right to intrude upon the  rights of individuals to observe their own faith. Nor does it afford any protection from criticism.



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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/9/2012 11:08:35 PM   
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Well, thb, if we aren't allowed to ridicule or parody God and religion we aren't allowed to ridicule or parody WBC. Whatever we might think of it, WBC is clearly a religion. WBC also claims to be a religion.


I actually believe a religion should not have political leanings. Regardless of the right, center or left, they should stick with religion as a group and leave politics out of their rhetoric. Gay rights/marriage, abortion, birth control, death penalty, gun control laws... all of it.

It is perfectly acceptable for a religious person to hold political beliefs. But, religion should stay out of the political arena.

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 1:25:16 AM   
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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 1:34:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is no first amendment protection for any speech that causes a disturbance or entices people into an illegal act. That's the silver bullet, here.

It would take some "pain and suffering" on the part of normal people but, if every time these idiots showed up, a riot (or fist fight, I guess) ensued, they would soon lose their protection.

Fist fighting is a disorderly persons offense (within limits).



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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 6:30:55 AM   
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Well, thb, if we aren't allowed to ridicule or parody God and religion we aren't allowed to ridicule or parody WBC. Whatever we might think of it, WBC is clearly a religion. WBC also claims to be a religion.


Well, maybe this is the problem. You see, here in the state we are not only allowed to ridicule and parody god and religion, we do it on a regular basis. Doesn't Australia allow you to do the same?

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 6:35:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		For those of you who are planning to attend some form of counterprostest, the Cox family is asking you to refrain.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/09/2019907/either-go-to-funeral-to-celebrate.html


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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 6:42:00 AM   
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There is no first amendment protection for any speech that causes a disturbance or entices people into an illegal act. That's the silver bullet, here.

It would take some "pain and suffering" on the part of normal people but, if every time these idiots showed up, a riot (or fist fight, I guess) ensued, they would soon lose their protection.

Fist fighting is a disorderly persons offense (within limits).
Michael


1-Just to note-these folks videotape everything...and I mean everything they do. They look to fund themselves with lawsuit money taken from anyone foolish enough to attack em on camera. So yeah, in a way they are enticing violence, which brings us to...

2-Sure, it's, as the SCOTUS ruled, illegal to "Cry fire in a crowded theater", but the court has consistently ruled (Whether we like it or not) in favor of free speech, including such hateful groups as the KKK, who have been met with fisticuffs in the past. Point of fact, the court views the government as being responsible for protecting these idiots rights to have their opinions heard in safety, whether their opinions are distasteful or not. Let's not forget that not too long ago, these very same rights helped make the Civil Rights movement a possibility.
I ain't defending these morons, but I do defend folks right to free speech, even when I absolutely disagree with both their vehicle and their message.

3-While I don't know about a town slashing their tires, I do know that one southern town had vehicles "break down" right in front of the exits of the hotel the WBC folks were staying at, and that the "breakdowns" conveniently enough happened at the exact time the WBC folks were getting ready to leave their lodgings and protest. Sadder yet, there was no available law enforcement to "aid them in their hour of need" as they were all at the protest, getting ready to make life safe for the protestors :-)
Very nicely finessed-Those southern boys, country slickers all.



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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 10:29:04 AM   
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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 12:25:38 PM   
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Oh, don't get me wrong... I was just showing off my skills as a phony psychic
I think they should be run into the fucking ground with publicity. Sorry if I gave that impression, particularly to the OP.




I think just the opposite. Publicity is their life's blood. A slow strangulation of no publicity is what's in order for them. Keep them as far away as you can with the police. Instead of mentioning their name, they could show the Freedom Riders or the local populace coming out for the funeral without mentioning wbc's name.

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 12:33:32 PM   
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...... It is no doubt in response to the recent passage of a Gay Marriage bill in the State of Washington. 


They don't need a "reason", they're litigious attention whores.

ETA: After hitting enter, I realized the post could be mis-read as a swipe at IAS. It wasn't meant to be. Sorry!! wbc makes me want to hurl!!

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 12:44:11 PM   
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For those of you who are planning to attend some form of counterprostest, the Cox family is asking you to refrain.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/09/2019907/either-go-to-funeral-to-celebrate.html



What incredible grace the family is showing with this request.

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 12:51:50 PM   
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Which is why the publically announce where they will be. No excuse for the locals NOT to give them protection. Im just waiting for the day when a cop finally says... fuck it!.. and walks away on a mysterious call across the county that requires all police in the vicinity to attend.


Perhaps they heard on the radio that there was a 211 in progress at the only krispy kream in town.
I know more than a few policemen and I can assure you that each and everyone of them look upon the krispy kream as a national treasure and it's protection superceeds all other emergencies.

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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 1:00:25 PM   
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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 1:00:37 PM   
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Whoever said we mustn't ridicule or parody God or religion?

WBC, the religion that impersonates a religion, by its very existence, ridicules and parodies the Christian God and religion 24/7/365. Sorry, if it's OK for them it's OK for everyone else too.

ETA: I remember hearing about the activities of a group of bikers whose interventions to protect the innocent from WBC seems to have been effective in putting these WBC loonies off the radar for a while. Where are these guys when they're needed?


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RE: Westboro Church to picket Powell boys' funeral as a... - 2/10/2012 1:01:37 PM   
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Whoever said we mustn't ridicule or parody God or religion?

WBC, the religion that impersonates a religion, by its very existence, ridicules and parodies the Christian God and religion 24/7/365. Sorry, if it's OK for them it's OK for everyone else too.

ETA: I remember hearing about the activities of a group of bikers whose interventions to protect the innocent from WBC seems to have been effective in putting these WBC loonies off the radar for a while. Where are these guys when they're needed?


Oh fuck that. This is so unfair of you, Tweak. The grandparents of the boys are also Christian and showing sincere faith, love, class and compassion.

There are lunatics in all groups including religion. Do NOT paint us all with the same brush.

These wbc people should be tortured the ways those poor boys were and given a quick escort to hell. (imnsho)

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