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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 6:29:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What a childish question.  Laws are passed, and some people benefit and others are detrimented.  Implying that hatred forms the basis for so doing is ridiculous.


Well said (as usual).




Owner59 -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 6:44:53 PM)

I love rich people......medium rare......[;)]




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 7:23:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I love rich people......medium rare......[;)]


I love rich people. They're carrying my money...they just haven't figured it out yet.

(It's very kind of them).




TheHeretic -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 9:39:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Implying that hatred forms the basis for so doing is ridiculous.



Well of course it's ridiculous, Steve, but these are the rules in play. Did you see the old lady being run off the cliff in her wheelchair? It's a good rhetorical question, for the audience, and maybe to some of those disillusioned occupists who've gone home, thinking the Democrats are their only hope.

Rand, at least, will acknowledge that he's exaggerating, if you listen to the rest of his speech (the delivery gets better).

I don't think the President hates rich people, but I do think he's completely fine with campaigning on resentment, and quite ok with cheap and easy dramatic rhetoric.

I'm glad I gave it a full listen. Thanks for posting it, Firm








Owner59 -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 10:23:14 PM)

" The rules" piffft....

What cons are doing is tying to deflect their responsibility for letting predator capitalists ruin our economy.....


They`re taking righteous anger,concern and scrutiny from Americans who`ve suffered through the great recession and are belittling them with a childish "class warfare" charge and chepening the debate.


Cons seem clueless that what the Mitts and CityBanks were doing was the opposite of capitalism.


Capitalism is a free and open and honest market place, free of insiders and inside deals and secret deals with public money,and secret info that only a few benefit from(read:Mitt Romney)

When there`s 500,000 investors all getting info and all competing above board,capitalism and free markets work.

When a select few operate outside of those rules,like 75% of our big financial houses were,you get something vulture/predator capitalism and the worst financial loss since the great depression.





FirmhandKY -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 10:45:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Implying that hatred forms the basis for so doing is ridiculous.


Well of course it's ridiculous, Steve, but these are the rules in play. Did you see the old lady being run off the cliff in her wheelchair? It's a good rhetorical question, for the audience, and maybe to some of those disillusioned occupists who've gone home, thinking the Democrats are their only hope.

Rand, at least, will acknowledge that he's exaggerating, if you listen to the rest of his speech (the delivery gets better).

I don't think the President hates rich people, but I do think he's completely fine with campaigning on resentment, and quite ok with cheap and easy dramatic rhetoric.

I'm glad I gave it a full listen. Thanks for posting it, Firm

Damn, Rich ... you weren't suppose to actually ... well ... ya know ... listen to it!

You were just suppose to filter the quote out of context, through your own ideology, and then make an all knowing and/snarky comment about Republicans.

Get with the friggin' program, man!  [8D]

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/10/2012 10:55:06 PM)

On a more serious note ...

He did speak and deliver well.

Paul only lives about 29 miles or so away from me.

Give him a little more experience.  I think Paul may become a very important man in the future.

I'm kinda glad I'm a Kentucky boy, and back in my home state.  [;)]

Firm




Owner59 -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 7:45:48 AM)

Rand?


Nope.....he`ll become more of an extremist than he is now.And the DC insider ya`ll pretend to loath.


Maybe that`s the point you were making?




thompsonx -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 7:50:12 AM)

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Capitalism is a free and open and honest market place, free of insiders and inside deals and secret deals with public money,and secret info that only a few benefit from(read:Mitt Romney)


You have no clue what capitalism is.
Capitalism does not seek competiton it seeks monopoly.




mnottertail -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 7:51:36 AM)

You missed the scarcasm font, Saburo.




thompsonx -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 7:58:35 AM)



The following is from a book by edward bellamy called "looking back from the year 2000" It was written in 1887.
Why would anyone hate the rich?


By way of attempting to give the reader some general impression of the way people lived together in those days, and especially of the relations of the rich and poor to one another, perhaps I cannot do better than to compare society as it then was to a prodigious coach which the masses of humanity were harnessed to and dragged toilsomely along a very hilly and sandy road. The driver was hunger, and permitted no lagging, though the pace was necessarily very slow. Despite the difficulty of drawing the coach at all along so hard a road, the top was covered with passengers who never got down, even at the steepest ascents. These seats on top were very breezy and comfortable. Well up out of the dust, their occupants could enjoy the scenery at their leisure, or critically discuss the merits of the straining team. Naturally such places were in great demand and the competition for them was keen, every one seeking as the first end in life to secure a seat on the coach for himself and to leave it to his child after him. By the rule of the coach a man could leave his seat to whom he wished, but on the other hand there were many accidents by which it might at any time be wholly lost. For all that they were so easy, the seats were very insecure, and at every sudden jolt of the coach persons were slipping out of them and falling to the ground, where they were instantly compelled to take hold of the rope and help to drag the coach on which they had before ridden so pleasantly. It was naturally regarded as a terrible misfortune to lose one's seat, and the apprehension that this might happen to them or their friends was a constant cloud upon the happiness of those who rode.

But did they think only of themselves? you ask. Was not their very luxury rendered intolerable to them by comparison with the lot of their brothers and sisters in the harness, and the knowledge that their own weight added to their toil? Had they no compassion for fellow beings from whom fortune only distinguished them? Oh, yes; commiseration was frequently expressed by those who rode for those who had to pull the coach, especially when the vehicle came to a bad place in the road, as it was constantly doing, or to a particularly steep hill. At such times, the desperate straining of the team, their agonized leaping and plunging under the pitiless lashing of hunger, the many who fainted at the rope and were trampled in the mire, made a very distressing spectacle, which often called forth highly creditable displays of feeling on the top of the coach. At such times the passengers would call down encouragingly to the toilers of the rope, exhorting them to patience, and holding out hopes of possible compensation in another world for the hardness of their lot, while others contributed to buy salves and liniments for the crippled and injured. It was agreed that it was a great pity that the coach should be so hard to pull, and there was a sense of general relief when the specially bad piece of road was gotten over. This relief was not, indeed, wholly on account of the team, for there was always some danger at these bad places of a general overturn in which all would lose their seats.

It must in truth be admitted that the main effect of the spectacle of the misery of the toilers at the rope was to enhance the passengers' sense of the value of their seats upon the coach, and to cause them to hold on to them more desperately than before. If the passengers could only have felt assured that neither they nor their friends would ever fall from the top, it is probable that, beyond contributing to the funds for liniments and bandages, they would have troubled themselves extremely little about those who dragged the coach.

I am well aware that this will appear to the men and women of the twentieth century an incredible inhumanity, but there are two facts, both very curious, which partly explain it. In the first place, it was firmly and sincerely believed that there was no other way in which Society could get along, except the many pulled at the rope and the few rode, and not only this, but that no very radical improvement even was possible, either in the harness, the coach, the roadway, or the distribution of the toil. It had always been as it was, and it always would be so. It was a pity, but it could not be helped, and philosophy forbade wasting compassion on what was beyond remedy.

The other fact is yet more curious, consisting in a singular hallucination which those on the top of the coach generally shared, that they were not exactly like their brothers and sisters who pulled at the rope, but of finer clay, in some way belonging to a higher order of beings who might justly expect to be drawn. This seems unaccountable, but, as I once rode on this very coach and shared that very hallucination, I ought to be believed. The strangest thing about the hallucination was that those who had but just climbed up from the ground, before they had outgrown the marks of the rope upon their hands, began to fall under its influence. As for those whose parents and grand-parents before them had been so fortunate as to keep their seats on the top, the conviction they cherished of the essential difference between their sort of humanity and the common article was absolute. The effect of such a delusion in moderating fellow feeling for the sufferings of the mass of men into a distant and philosophical compassion is obvious. To it I refer as the only extenuation I can offer for the indifference which, at the period I write of, marked my own attitude toward the misery of my brothers.





Owner59 -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 8:06:46 AM)

So could get we a description/accounting of how it is rich people are victims,put upon and treated unfairly?


All this talk about class warfare and I`m not seeing the wealthy victims here.

Plenty of middle class and "once middle-class, hoping to be again" victims.Real damage and real loss.

The folks who lost their savings,retirement,investments and pensions,etc. at the hands of the one%.The ones who had to pony up even more money(tarp) and give it to the thieves who just fucked us.

Please,list all the outrages and perils the uptrodden wealthy have had to endure so stoically?





MrBukani -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 8:51:49 AM)

The filthy few.




popeye1250 -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 10:40:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I don't hate rich people per se but I do "hate" it when they influence our govt. and laws using their riches like for all those rotten "free-trade" deals.



You do realize that wealthy people, mostly men, have been 'influencing' our government since our country's inception don't you?



Tigresse, so that makes stealing and corruption right?
You have to wonder why prosecutors are so reluctant to go after people with large bank accounts.
I thought it was "Of, by, and for The People." Silly me.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/11/2012 5:54:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Rand Paul To Obama:

"I have a question, a question for the president: Do you hate all rich people, or just rich people who don't contribute to your campaign?" Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said at CPAC today.

Does anyone serious doubt the answer to that question? [8D]

Firm




Seriously? You need to watch something besides FOX news...

What has Obama EVER said that would lead you to believe he hates rich people??? He IS a rich person.


The realization that rich people are not job creators != hatred of rich people.




SternSkipper -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/13/2012 1:22:51 PM)

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And, I especially hate rich people like Jay-Z who prints and sell "Occupy" T-shirts without donating any of the profits to the people he claims to represent.


How do you feel about rich people like Jamie Diman who write a check for $4mil to the NYPD right after a bunch of protesters show up on 'your street'?
Just wondering.




SternSkipper -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/13/2012 1:28:43 PM)

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ETA: List of charities that Jay Z is involved in on a regular basis:

Artists for Peace and Justice
Boys' and Girls' Clubs of America
Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS
Grammy Foundation
Music for Relief
PlayPumps
Red Cross: made a $1 Million donation to victims of hurricane Katrina. Yeah...he really hates poor people.


Miss A... you'll be happy to know that Jay Z IS actually helping the Occupy folks with housing costs over the winter. And it's my understanding that the t-shirts were selling like shit anyway.
And it's not as if he's running for President on the record of having founded one of the firms that CREATED the concept of Vulture Capitalism and makes the Claim of being a "Job Creator"




DomYngBlk -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/14/2012 5:57:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: Throat4U

As much as i hate to admit it...I do...I guess its coz how they want to flaunt there money and squander it .. when there's so many in this country in dire straights that needs just a little help.


There but by the grace of......but no. MOST of us are in the life situations we are in because of the choices we've made.

I don't envy or hate those that made good choices that led to their riches and I don't often feel sorry for those that made poor choices that led to them being in dire straights.

And exactly what is 'flaunting it' to you?



You have any evidence to back up the MOST of us are where we are because of our choices?


Just a load of shit fed to us by the wealthy so they can feel better about themselves.....while keeping the rest of us in our place.....




SternSkipper -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/14/2012 6:37:36 AM)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Implying that hatred forms the basis for so doing is ridiculous.



Well of course it's ridiculous, Steve, but these are the rules in play. Did you see the old lady being run off the cliff in her wheelchair? It's a good rhetorical question, for the audience, and maybe to some of those disillusioned occupists who've gone home, thinking the Democrats are their only hope.

Rand, at least, will acknowledge that he's exaggerating, if you listen to the rest of his speech (the delivery gets better).

I don't think the President hates rich people, but I do think he's completely fine with campaigning on resentment, and quite ok with cheap and easy dramatic rhetoric.

I'm glad I gave it a full listen. Thanks for posting it, Firm


Damn, Rich ... you weren't suppose to actually ... well ... ya know ... listen to it!

You were just suppose to filter the quote out of context, through your own ideology, and then make an all knowing and/snarky comment about Republicans.

Get with the friggin' program, man!

Firm


Hahahahahaha ... you call this political capital???? A 2 year old ad from a PAC?

God, I guess that puts Nixon and Spiro Agnew, and Joe McCarthy on the table for Christ's sake try to stay at least in the same year if you want to sound relevant.




thishereboi -> RE: Do you hate rich people? (2/14/2012 6:45:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Rand Paul To Obama:

"I have a question, a question for the president: Do you hate all rich people, or just rich people who don't contribute to your campaign?" Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said at CPAC today.

Does anyone serious doubt the answer to that question? [8D]

Firm




Seriously? You need to watch something besides FOX news...
According to his posts, he rarely watches Fox, but don't let the facts get in your way.

What has Obama EVER said that would lead you to believe he hates rich people??? He IS a rich person.
What does being rich have to do with hating the rich. Haven't you been listening to the stars going on about the 1% while sitting in their mansions sipping champagne. note: I didn't say he hated the rich, I was just faulting the logic shown here


The realization that rich people are not job creators != hatred of rich people.
???





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