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Iamsemisweet -> The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 10:39:46 AM)

It never ceases to amaze me what some consider progress. Canada is apparently willing to rape their environment for tar sand development.
http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/News-by-Topic/Wildlife/2012/02-06-12-Tar-Sands-Development-to-Lead-to-Poisoning-of-Wolves.aspx



slvemike4u -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 10:51:48 AM)

Wow,just wow...when will it dawn on folks that we can not,for reasons to varied to list,drill ourselves out of this energy mess.
Increased access to a finite resource for a public that wants increasingly large amounts of said resource is not the fucking answer.Alternative,clean renewable energy is the only sane solution to our species increasing demand for cheap energy.
Case closed.....and I really don't care what the proponents of "drill baby drill" say,nor do I want a fucking pipeline bisecting my damm country.
Other than that I have nothing to say on the subject [:)]



Iamsemisweet -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 10:53:09 AM)

I feel the same way, mike. Does every other species have to suffer because of our greed and addiction?



slvemike4u -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 11:06:14 AM)

Yeah Semi,they do...it is just the way it is,and will always be so,unless and untill we,as a species actually fucking evolve into something a little bit better than what we are right now [:@]



TheHeretic -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 11:11:51 AM)

I hear you. All those beautiful birds of prey, slaughtered by man's arrogance...

Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power�s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday.



slvemike4u -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 11:26:58 AM)

There you go Rich...talk about distorting a position [8|]
Can you not see the similarity to an ad in which Grandma is pushed off a cliff?
If you can't,let me assure you I can [8|]



TheHeretic -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 11:39:53 AM)

I'm illustrating that the issue, and selected thread title, go well beyond the easy scoring of shallow political points, Mike.

Maybe another pot of coffee? Your confuzzlement seems wide ranging today.



slvemike4u -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 11:44:28 AM)

Bullshit,you are exhibiting how something which has as one of it's goals benifit to the ecology of the planet encountered some unintended consequences....right?
Now your Mr Ryan certainly never intended to throw grandma off the cliff....and yet,were it enacted,I assure you some grandma's are in fact going off the cliff,if only in a figurative sense .
Now can you see the connection?
Maybe your own internal GPS is acting up,by the way I did apologise for the confusion on the other thread,way to bring it over here with a shot.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 4:42:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

It never ceases to amaze me what some consider progress. Canada is apparently willing to rape their environment for tar sand development.
http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/News-by-Topic/Wildlife/2012/02-06-12-Tar-Sands-Development-to-Lead-to-Poisoning-of-Wolves.aspx


You mean, kind of like the U.S. allows farming chemicals to be used throughout the Midwest (and PCB's), that float down the Mississippi creating a 'dead zone" which grows larger (by 20%) every year in the Gulf, entirely eliminating oxygen in the aquaculture that essentially kills everything that lives there?

You mean, that kind of stuff?

Ya know....just so we can have corn and wheat and shit?



Edwynn -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/12/2012 6:31:59 PM)



Yes, enough heavily subsidized GMO corn and wheat and soybeans to keep prices surpressed just enough to put third world farmers out of business so that we can start 'Help Africa' and 'Help India' programs which involve 'modernization' of their methods like using (guess what?) Monsanto's RoundUp pesticide and RoundUpReady terminator seeds so that we can send more subsidy tax dollars to agro-chem for their invasion and trashing of foreign as well as domestic environments  such as you speak.

Sort of like giving tax credits and oil depletion allowances etc. to oil companies for trashing the environment. Such eerie similarity here.

But in any case, the engineers hired to figure out the large and small details of how to trash Canada's and other tar sands and oil shale areas and the more difficult refining process are hired out of school at nearly twice the pay of engineers hired to figure out how to use less energy at other companies. 

Those large subsidies to mega-corp environmental destroyers really come in handy, don't they?





Iamsemisweet -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 8:59:10 AM)

Yes, exactly like this. The food system in this country is an environmental, as well as a health, disaster.
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

It never ceases to amaze me what some consider progress. Canada is apparently willing to rape their environment for tar sand development.
http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/News-by-Topic/Wildlife/2012/02-06-12-Tar-Sands-Development-to-Lead-to-Poisoning-of-Wolves.aspx


You mean, kind of like the U.S. allows farming chemicals to be used throughout the Midwest (and PCB's), that float down the Mississippi creating a 'dead zone" which grows larger (by 20%) every year in the Gulf, entirely eliminating oxygen in the aquaculture that essentially kills everything that lives there?

You mean, that kind of stuff?

Ya know....just so we can have corn and wheat and shit?



Iamsemisweet -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 9:01:37 AM)

So, the fact that 6 eagles were killed by a wind project justifies killing thousands of wolves in order to protect a caribou population that is going to be decimated by this tar sands project? Not quite following your "logic" here.
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I hear you. All those beautiful birds of prey, slaughtered by man's arrogance...

Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power�s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday.




Hillwilliam -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 9:13:29 AM)

I daresay he has no point. He is just regurgitating what FOX and/or the Washington Times told him to say.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

So, the fact that 6 eagles were killed by a wind project justifies killing thousands of wolves in order to protect a caribou population that is going to be decimated by this tar sands project? Not quite following your "logic" here.
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I hear you. All those beautiful birds of prey, slaughtered by man's arrogance...

Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power�s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday.






kdsub -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 9:26:55 AM)

You know Mike that is a pretty one sided article and site...but... even if there are attempts to restore the land...and even if the extraction can be done with minimal impact...It is still only a temporary answer to our energy needs.

I'm with you on developing clean renewable energy sources... I just wish Canada and the US would force energy companies to invest in new energy research and production with deadlines. In my area energy companies are required to have 20 percent of their power from renewable sources if available... The trouble is, though possible, no one is developing them.

We need transitional existing energy sources to maintain or economies...and the heat our homes... so the pipeline will be necessary as well responsible tar sand development...but we also need legislation to assure, in a reasonable time, there will be no need to rape our land and destroy our ecosystem.

Butch



popeye1250 -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 10:09:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

It never ceases to amaze me what some consider progress. Canada is apparently willing to rape their environment for tar sand development.
http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/News-by-Topic/Wildlife/2012/02-06-12-Tar-Sands-Development-to-Lead-to-Poisoning-of-Wolves.aspx



Sweet, we have the same thing here in the U.S.! It's those God Damned Democrats ruled by leftists!
They're mean - spirited and disingenuous and couldn't give a shit about nature.
All (they) want is more and more "regulations" from ,.....yup,.....you guessed it....."the government!"
If they had their way there wouldn't be anymore deer in the forest and there'd be a hell of a lot more open-pit mining.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 11:01:36 AM)

Not really sure what you are blathering on about, pops.Do you actually know?



stef -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 11:32:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Not really sure what you are blathering on about, pops.Do you actually know?

Only if Howie Carr tells him.



SternSkipper -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 11:44:37 AM)

quote:

It never ceases to amaze me what some consider progress. Canada is apparently willing to rape their environment for tar sand development.
http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/News-by-Topic/Wildlife/2012/02-06-12-Tar-Sands-Development-to-Lead-to-Poisoning-of-Wolves.aspx


Parvin Butte in Dexter Or. My friend sayss this gravel company bought it and decided to scrap it completely ... Here's a local's Words about it

"Mountain Top Removal comes to Dexter, Oregon. Two rapscallions, the McDougal Brothers, bought Parvin Butte, right outside of the community of Dexter and plan to level the whole mountain, taking out the rock and selling it for a railroad bed in Coos Bay, way over by the coast. They started by clear cutting the trees, then excavating, without a permit, paying the fine as part of doing business. The noise is horrendous, the impact on the neighbors' lives is huge, but they care not a whit, for, to them, like the military, this is merely collateral damage"



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SternSkipper -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 11:46:24 AM)

Imagine that... Screw the impact study, screw the ACTUAL HARM, Screw Permits .... Just pay the fucking fines and profit, profit, profit.



SternSkipper -> RE: The war on wildlife continues (2/13/2012 12:33:57 PM)

Now wait a second folks... Perhaps we can learn from Rich's own taking responsibility as a CALIFORNIAN and solving this problem, thus showing not only us, but the WHOLE human race, a better way to live.

[:D]

quote:

I daresay he has no point. He is just regurgitating what FOX and/or the Washington Times told him to say.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

So, the fact that 6 eagles were killed by a wind project justifies killing thousands of wolves in order to protect a caribou population that is going to be decimated by this tar sands project? Not quite following your "logic" here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I hear you. All those beautiful birds of prey, slaughtered by man's arrogance...

Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power�s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday.



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