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Chaingang -> For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 5:44:39 AM)

"Top 10 Signs of the Impending U.S. Police State"
http://www.alternet.org/rights/36553/

01. The Internet Clampdown
02. The Long War
03. The USA PATRIOT Act
04. Prison Camps
05. Touchscreen Voting Machines
06. Signing Statements
07. Warrantless Wiretapping
08. Free Speech Zones
09. High-ranking Whistleblowers
10. The CIA Shakeup




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 6:24:24 AM)

May I have a solution please?




ArtCatDom -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 7:08:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

May I have a solution please?


Vote Libertarian or vote for a libertarian. (No, they are not the same.)

*meow*




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 7:11:02 AM)

At this point- I will try almost anything!  :-)




NastyDaddy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 7:52:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang
"Top 10 Signs of the Impending U.S. Police State"


I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the police are already the ones carrying guns in the US.

Any country with armed uniformed peacekeepers is essentially already a police state.

Does this mean US citizens are crimnal by nature and can't be trusted by their own government?





ArtCatDom -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 8:01:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang
"Top 10 Signs of the Impending U.S. Police State"


I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the police are already the ones carrying guns in the US.

Any country with armed uniformed peacekeepers is essentially already a police state.

Does this mean US citizens are crimnal by nature and can't be trusted by their own government?


If you listen to the police (as a body), yes. (Mind you I know a number of officers who don't agree with what police as a group have pushed for.)

After all, all those stupid civil liberties do is make their job harder. Haven't you heard?

*meow*




UtopianRanger -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 11:29:25 AM)

 As Bob Barr said the other day in a radio interview: '' The high courts decision to limit the protection of government whistle-blowers, was a vote of confidence for all the criminal and fascists politicians.''



 - R




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 11:42:33 AM)

Actually cops support the NRA.

In case you haven't known, US inner cities- are dangerous.




Moloch -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:10:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Actually cops support the NRA.

In case you haven't known, US inner cities- are dangerous.


Well "cops" are people. Each one has different opinion. In a town I live in no cop is gonna come out and say "citizens should not have guns".




juliaoceania -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:12:47 PM)

The ultimate proof that we live post 1984 is that we have always been at war with East Asia....


And another little slice of the love of Big Brother is how many people think War is Peace


BTW for those who love Orwell my screen name is derived from one of his books..smiles




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:16:09 PM)

I loved that book!  So true.




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:18:34 PM)

...no, not quite. Most cops LIKE the NRA.

I am referring to USA....

hang out with them long enuff- and you will see.




Moloch -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:28:40 PM)

Sorry English is my second Language I was implying that most cops are Pro Gun.  However if you live in a large urban center such as LA or NYC cops are rabidly anti-gun.  LAPD pissed off the Barret Arms company so bad with their anti-gun babel the the president of the company went and and wrote a public letter almost directly saying "Thanks you ass-hat babbons, you are ignorant morons we wont sell you our weapons or parts or fix any of em if you send them in"

Here is the letter:

December 11, 2002

Chief William J. Bratton
Los Angeles Police Department
150 North Los Angeles Street

Re: LAPD 82A Rifle, Serial No. 1186

Point of Contact: Jim Moody
213 485 4061

Dear Chief Bratton,

I, a U.S. citizen, own Barrett Firearms Mfg. Inc., and for 20 years I have built .50 caliber rifles for my fellow citizens, for their Law Enforcement departments and for their nation's armed forces.

You may be aware of the latest negative misinformation campaign from a Washington based anti-gun group, the Violence Policy Center. The VPC has, for three or so years, been unsuccessful in Washington, D.C. trying to demonize and ban a new subclass of firearms, the .50 caliber and other "too powerful" rifles. This type of nibbling process has been historically successful in civilian disarmament of other nations governed by totalitarian and other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States .

The VPC's most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002 the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.

Regrettably, the same material has been presented to your city council. I personally attended the council meeting in Los Angeles regarding attempts to bar ownership of the .50 caliber rifle in your city. I was allowed to briefly address the council. The tone of the discussion was mostly emotionally based, so the facts that I attempted to provide were ineffective to the extent they were heard at all. The council voted to have the city attorney draft an ordinance to ban the .50, and further, to instruct the city's representatives in Sacramento and in Washington D.C. to push for bans at their respective levels.

At that council meeting, I was very surprised to see an LAPD officer seated front and center with a Barrett 82A1 .50 cal rifle. It was the centerpiece of the discussion. As you know, there have been no crimes committed with these rifles, and most importantly, current California law does not allow the sale of the M82AI in the state because of its detachable magazine and features that make it an "assault weapon." This rifle was being deceptively used by your department. The officer portrayed it as a sample of a currently available .50 cal rifle, available for sale to the civilians of Los Angeles. One councilman even questioned how this rifle was available under current laws, but as I stated, facts were ineffective that day.

Your officer, speaking for the LAPD, endorsed the banning of this rifle and its ammunition. Then he used the rifle for photo ops with the Councilmen each of whom, in handling the firearm, may have been committing a felony. I was amazed.

Since 1968, with the closing of the U.S. Springfield Amory, all of the small arms produced for the various government agencies are from the private sector. Every handgun, rifle or shotgun that law enforcement needs comes from this firearms industry. Unless the City of Los Angeles has plans of setting up its own firearms manufacturing, it may need to guard the manufacturing sources it has now.

When I returned to my office from Los Angeles, I found an example of our need for mutual cooperation. Your department had sent one of your 82A1 rifles in to us for service. All of my knowledge in the use of my rifle in the field of law enforcement had been turned upside down by witnessing how your department used yours. Not to protect and serve, but for deception, photo opportunities, and to further an ill-conceived effort that may result in the use of LA taxpayer monies to wage losing political battles in Washington against civil liberties regarding gun ownership.

Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individuals to own firearms.

I implore you to investigate the facts of the .50, to consider the liberties of the law-abiding people and our mutual coexistence, and to change your department's position on this issue.

Sincerely,
BARRETT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, INC.


Ronnie Barrett
President




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:37:24 PM)

Well I for one- think they ought to repeal the Brady bill.

LA can do what it wants. And I/my town will do things our way.
They burn down LA- over any jury verdict- or snafu. LA is -- for lack of a better word. Nuts. Police brutality there? hmm.

I won't wait for a copper to show up- if someone violates me and mine. 


PROUD  NRA   member !   [me]

regards-




MasterRenegade77 -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:48:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

"Top 10 Signs of the Impending U.S. Police State"
http://www.alternet.org/rights/36553/

01. The Internet Clampdown
02. The Long War
03. The USA PATRIOT Act
04. Prison Camps
05. Touchscreen Voting Machines
06. Signing Statements
07. Warrantless Wiretapping
08. Free Speech Zones
09. High-ranking Whistleblowers
10. The CIA Shakeup


I Agree, Check out this Link then check some of the links at the top of the Page too you'll be amazed!!!
Tavistock: The Best Kept Secret in America




Moloch -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 12:52:08 PM)

Hmm Proud NRA member eh?   are you from Penciltucky?! [8D]
Yep NRA and GOA member here too. I was thinking of Joining John Birch society because they hate commies I.E. Micachel Moore. Did you know that Sarah Brady broke the law that she wrote? She did a straw purchase for her son.




pahunkboy -> RE: For the Love of Big Brother (6/2/2006 1:28:27 PM)

Penciltucky?!   /foot stomp!/  *no bj for you tonight from me*

Peek back at any random post of mine. I think for myself.

rednecks are funner to blow. [to me][ and yes- they do quite abit in bed- they can teach the city slickers a thing or two about sex]

yehaa!!!





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