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Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/12/2012 11:52:23 PM   
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Newt made this statement after the 9th Court of Appeals ruled on same sex marriage...


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With today’s decision on marriage by the Ninth Circuit, and the likely appeal to the Supreme Court, more and more Americans are being exposed to the radical overreach of federal judges and their continued assault on the Judeo-Christian foundations of the United States.

I was drawn back into public life by the Ninth Circuit’s 2002 decision that held that the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance were unconstitutional. Today’s decision is one more example that the American people cannot rest until we restore the proper rule of the judicial branch and bring judges and the Courts back under the Constitution.

The Constitution of the United States begins with “We the People”; it does not begin with “We the Judges”. Federal judges need to take heed of that fact.

Federal judges are substituting their own political views for the constitutional right of the people to make judgments about the definition of marriage.

The country has been here before. In 1856, the Supreme Court thought it could settle the issue of slavery once and for all and impose a judicial solution on the country. In 1973, the issue was abortion and once again a Supreme Court thought that it could impose a judicial solution on the country once and for all.

Judicial solutions don’t solve contentious social issues once and for all.

Should the Supreme Court fail to heed the disastrous lessons of its own history and attempt to impose its will on the marriage debate in this country by affirming today’s Ninth Circuit decision, it will bear the burden of igniting a constitutional crisis of the first order.

The political branches of the federal government, as well as the political branches of the several States, will surely not passively accept the dictates of the federal judiciary on this issue. An interventionist approach by the Court on marriage will lead to a crisis of legitimacy for the federal judiciary from which it may take generations to recover


How is denying someone their legal right, as in the Scott case, the same as denying man-woman marriage their exclusive rights to the term "marriage" under the law?

http://www.newt.org/sites/newt.org/files/Courts.pdf

In that he speaks about abolishing both judges and whole courts if their rulings do not fall within the "appropriate" understanding of the Constitution.

Is this really what we want happening in our courts? Im not always happy with their decisions, but we do have a system in place for dealing with those, including amendments. Do we want the courts held hostage to the political parties of each administration, regardless of which administration it is?



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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 3:53:28 AM   
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Who needs checks and balances when you're a clinically insane madman bent on world domination?

Whether the lies are based on honest belief in a delusion, or pseudologia fantastica , however you code it, he's crazy.

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 4:19:12 AM   
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Now, now. Lets not cross the line into insults and ad hominem arguments.

I'm sure Newt Gingrich had a very good reason for saying what he said.

Err . . . writing what he wrote.

Ranting what he ranted?

Ok, getting off topic here. The point is that we should give the man the benefit of the doubt. He is, after all, the best choice for president we'll have in 2012, at least since my main man Rick Perry was knocked out of the race by the aggressive slanderous libel of the cryptocommie liberal media establishment.

Look. I'm a reasonable man. You say he's a frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic. Yeah, he is. But he is only five, maybe ten percent of the time, tops. And as far as the disingenuous babbling and outright moral hypocrisy go, those probably cap out at like 20% each.

The bottom line is that over half of the time, he is one of the greatest, most articulate conservative leaders this nation has ever known. And who can really fault him for the other less than half of the time?

Heck, I probably spend an equal percentage of my time being spanked by evil liberal homosexuals out to destroy our country. You don't see _my friends_ calling me a disgusting manlover and an abomination before the eyes of good, do you? No, they don't, because I have the good taste to call myself those things for them. Wait, where was I going with this?

Look, you're afraid, I understand. You're afraid Newt Gingrich cares more for conservatism than he does for the integrity of the American justice system, but as a gay man, I really have to just come out and say it. Blue, which represents vigilance and justice, never really worked well on our flag, anyway. From a fashion standpoint, who in the world would wear it with red and white? Nobody with a brain, certainly. I think red and white go together _much_ better alone.

And before you say anything, there are non-commie countries with those colors. Switzerland is a good example, and not only do they have a perfectly small and impotent (though small and impotent probably appeals to me less than it does most conservatives) government, they also help us Americans resist the evil taxation of Uncle Sam! What better model could you look for?

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 4:44:04 AM   
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WTF?  Is Newt coming out pro-slavery?

The blathering idiot's arguments here can be summed up in two contradictory sentences:

1. Judicial decisions are the wrong way to resolve contentious social issues.
2. The judges rulings on contentious social issues need to agree with the conservative agenda, whereupon they will be the right way to resolve contentious social issues.



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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 5:23:06 AM   
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Not even Howard Chaykin likes Gringrich. Check out this villain from his '90s Blackhawk series...



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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 5:40:07 AM   
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Please,let us not forget that it is folks like Gingrich who bravely hold the line that keeps our society from devolving into an Auschwitz type situation

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 7:09:44 AM   
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quote:

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Federal judges are substituting their own political views for the constitutional right of the people to make judgments about the definition of marriage.

Should the Supreme Court fail to heed the disastrous lessons of its own history and attempt to impose its will on the marriage debate in this country by affirming today’s Ninth Circuit decision, it will bear the burden of igniting a constitutional crisis of the first order.

The political branches of the federal government, as well as the political branches of the several States, will surely not passively accept the dictates of the federal judiciary on this issue.




The federal branches will more readily accept SCOTUS directives more so than the states, the issue being a 10th Amendment one. The courts were never designed to set policy but to address issues according to the Constitution, not the Constitution as interpreted by the judges.

When one gains power to interpret, whatever the interpretation becomes so; subject to reinterpretation according to whim. This is what is known as judicial activism.


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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 7:54:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

WTF?  Is Newt coming out pro-slavery?

The blathering idiot's arguments here can be summed up in two contradictory sentences:

1. Judicial decisions are the wrong way to resolve contentious social issues.
2. The judges rulings on contentious social issues need to agree with the conservative agenda, whereupon they will be the right way to resolve contentious social issues.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

Newt isnt for the return of slavery. Just thought I should point that out. The SC decision in the Scott case was a bad decision.

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 1:06:20 PM   
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Who needs checks and balances when you're a clinically insane madman bent on world domination?



I think someone's sucking up for a cabinet job in thew new Moon Presidency!

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 4:01:45 PM   
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quote:


Newt: "Federal judges are substituting their own political views for the constitutional right of the people to make judgments about the definition of marriage."



More honestly stated as "Federal judges are doing their job of exercising judicial review instead of substituting my own political views in their consideration."

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
The federal branches will more readily accept SCOTUS directives more so than the states, the issue being a 10th Amendment one.



One could claim virtually anything not specifically addressed in the constitution as being a 10th amendment issue, as many attempt to do. The fact that about 99.999 % of all laws ever passed could be thus considered seems to be overlooked in such claim.

Neither does a state deciding to hold a referendum on any question make such question a de facto 10th amendment issue or non-federal issue. Such a convenient end-around to the constitution would practiced a lot more often if that were the case.

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The courts were never designed to set policy but to address issues according to the Constitution, not the Constitution as interpreted by the judges.


There is no policy being set here. It is a ruling on the constitutionality of a particular law. As for the Constitution  being interpreted by judges, judicial review was established by the Judiciary At of 1789;

Sec. 25. And be it further enacted,Cases in which judgment and decrees of the highest court of a state may be examined by the supreme court, on writ of error. That a final judgment or decree in any suit, in the highest court of law or equity of a State in which a decision in the suit could be had, where is drawn in question the validity of a treaty or statute of, or an authority exercised under the United States, and the decision is against their validity; or where is drawn in question the validity of a statute of, or an authority exercised under any State, on the ground of their being repugnant to the constitution, treaties or laws of the United States, and the decision is in favour of such their validity, ...

and by Marbury v. Madison, 1803;

"It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department [the judicial branch] to say what the law is."

Why would anyone think it OK for any local, state or congressional law makers (or referendum writers) to interpret the Constitution however they please but then deny those much better qualified for the task (and in fact whose job it is to do so) from doing the same? The SC in 1803 spelled all this out.




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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 4:28:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Federal judges are substituting their own political views for the constitutional right of the people to make judgments about the definition of marriage.

Should the Supreme Court fail to heed the disastrous lessons of its own history and attempt to impose its will on the marriage debate in this country by affirming today’s Ninth Circuit decision, it will bear the burden of igniting a constitutional crisis of the first order.

The political branches of the federal government, as well as the political branches of the several States, will surely not passively accept the dictates of the federal judiciary on this issue.




The federal branches will more readily accept SCOTUS directives more so than the states, the issue being a 10th Amendment one. The courts were never designed to set policy but to address issues according to the Constitution, not the Constitution as interpreted by the judges.

When one gains power to interpret, whatever the interpretation becomes so; subject to reinterpretation according to whim. This is what is known as judicial activism.


So in one way at least, if Dread/Scott had asserted any slave's right covering of course the entire county, that would have been... judicial activism of the time.

One would have to read that decision as complying with the constitutional notion that the slave was, for enumeration purposes...3/5 of a head. (white) 3/5 of anything has no rights the 5/5 were bound to respect.

Plessy V Ferguson established that all schools were equal thus education was pursued (funded) with equality under the law.

Some say that wasn't judicial activism even though life had shown particularly in the south that, that was anything but true. So 50 years or so later, was it activism when 9-0 that was struck down in Brown v Bd. of Educ. ? No !

Newt won't have what he wants until the SCOTUS rules that the SCOTUS will no longer determine what is and was is not law, under the constitution. Any predictions when that will happen ?


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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 4:51:22 PM   
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How is Newt doing in his quest to get kids cleaning toilets ? It seems from here that he wants to take politics back to the "good old days"

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 5:53:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Newt made this statement after the 9th Court of Appeals ruled on same sex marriage...


quote:

With today’s decision on marriage by the Ninth Circuit, and the likely appeal to the Supreme Court, more and more Americans are being exposed to the radical overreach of federal judges and their continued assault on the Judeo-Christian foundations of the United States.

I was drawn back into public life by the Ninth Circuit’s 2002 decision that held that the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance were unconstitutional. Today’s decision is one more example that the American people cannot rest until we restore the proper rule of the judicial branch and bring judges and the Courts back under the Constitution.

The Constitution of the United States begins with “We the People”; it does not begin with “We the Judges”. Federal judges need to take heed of that fact.

Federal judges are substituting their own political views for the constitutional right of the people to make judgments about the definition of marriage.

The country has been here before. In 1856, the Supreme Court thought it could settle the issue of slavery once and for all and impose a judicial solution on the country. In 1973, the issue was abortion and once again a Supreme Court thought that it could impose a judicial solution on the country once and for all.

Judicial solutions don’t solve contentious social issues once and for all.

Should the Supreme Court fail to heed the disastrous lessons of its own history and attempt to impose its will on the marriage debate in this country by affirming today’s Ninth Circuit decision, it will bear the burden of igniting a constitutional crisis of the first order.

The political branches of the federal government, as well as the political branches of the several States, will surely not passively accept the dictates of the federal judiciary on this issue. An interventionist approach by the Court on marriage will lead to a crisis of legitimacy for the federal judiciary from which it may take generations to recover


How is denying someone their legal right, as in the Scott case, the same as denying man-woman marriage their exclusive rights to the term "marriage" under the law?

http://www.newt.org/sites/newt.org/files/Courts.pdf

In that he speaks about abolishing both judges and whole courts if their rulings do not fall within the "appropriate" understanding of the Constitution.

Is this really what we want happening in our courts? Im not always happy with their decisions, but we do have a system in place for dealing with those, including amendments. Do we want the courts held hostage to the political parties of each administration, regardless of which administration it is?




Hon, you're a clearly studious person who considers facts....and there's no debate among oxygen breathing mammals that Newt is a piece of living fossilized stinking human sewage....but seriously....you should look up some of the last 5 or 10 years of 9th circuit court decisions.

There is a reason they're called the clown colony.

There's something extremely wrong with that bench.

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/13/2012 6:45:01 PM   
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Im not always happy with their decisions, but we do have a system in place for dealing with those, including amendments.




Prop 8 was an amendment, Tazzy, remember? Passed by a solid majority that voted "yes" on it? We just covered this a few days ago, and I'm pretty sure you Googled...

Disingenuous much?

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/14/2012 4:23:49 AM   
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Yes, and the Supreme Court has the authority to decide if those state amendments are Constitutional, yes?

I was speaking more of the federal amendments. Just because a state passes an amendment doesnt mean it will be held up to a constitutional challenge.

“All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” - Maybury vs. Madison, US, 1803

Article VI, Section 2
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


http://www.constitutionfacts.com/?section=constitution&page=readTheConstitution.cfm

The "supremacy clause" is the most important guarantor of national union. It assures that the Constitution and federal laws and treaties take precedence over state law and binds all judges to adhere to that principle in their courts. - United States Senate

http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

Now, as far as I know, the 9th Circuit Court is part of that "all judges" aspect.

Disingenuous? Nope.

However, your sour grapes over this issue is telling.



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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/14/2012 6:42:37 AM   
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However, your sour grapes over this issue is telling.



Sour grapes? I was one of those in the minority who voted "no" on 8, Tazzy. I also voted against the previous referendum on banning gay marriage in California, which led to a state court allowing it anyway, which led to the Constitutional amendment now in the legal process. Please explain how that fits into, "sour grapes."



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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/14/2012 8:18:30 AM   
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However, your sour grapes over this issue is telling.



Sour grapes? I was one of those in the minority who voted "no" on 8, Tazzy. I also voted against the previous referendum on banning gay marriage in California, which led to a state court allowing it anyway, which led to the Constitutional amendment now in the legal process. Please explain how that fits into, "sour grapes."




Then why are you here complaining about the amendment?

Honestly, do you simply just want to fight? It seems you are constantly pushing for one with me lately.

Regardless, States can pass any law, or amendment, they want. They will still be held up to Constitutional scrutiny.

This one has failed so far. IF the SCOTUS decides to hear an appeal, the decision should be interesting in light of DOMA.

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/14/2012 6:07:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

However, your sour grapes over this issue is telling.



Sour grapes? I was one of those in the minority who voted "no" on 8, Tazzy. I also voted against the previous referendum on banning gay marriage in California, which led to a state court allowing it anyway, which led to the Constitutional amendment now in the legal process. Please explain how that fits into, "sour grapes."




Then why are you here complaining about the amendment?

Honestly, do you simply just want to fight? It seems you are constantly pushing for one with me lately.

Regardless, States can pass any law, or amendment, they want. They will still be held up to Constitutional scrutiny.

This one has failed so far. IF the SCOTUS decides to hear an appeal, the decision should be interesting in light of DOMA.


Ya know what I like about you Taz? You do your homework. You deal in facts.

That's extremely cool.

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/14/2012 6:19:12 PM   
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That is what so many others do not like about me.

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RE: Newt on the 9th Court. - 2/14/2012 7:18:33 PM   
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That is what so many others do not like about me.


Yeah well....fuck them.

(And if they have extremely large tata's....send them to me).

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