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CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 5:24:22 PM

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"CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election"

This explains a lot........

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/02/enthusiasm-gap-republicans-presidential-election-/1?csp=34news

Democrats are fired up about the 2012 presidential election. Republicans? Not so much.

A new CNN/ORC International poll out today shows enthusiasm among Republicans is way down, suggesting that the party's nomination fight has taken its toll

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 6:32:28 PM

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Democrats are fired up about the 2012 presidential election. Republicans? Not so much.

This'll clear up when they only have the 'attack that %*((^) president' as a post convention theme.
The Koch brothers haven't even STARTED spending money this year.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 6:35:54 PM

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Just stay in tune with Clint

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 7:27:45 PM

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You ain't seen nuthin yet.

If Mitt or Newt get the nomination, they'll try to overcome the lack of GOP enthusiasm with nasty negative campaigning. Paul will simply reiterate his stances. Santorum - who knows what he will do?

It won't be pretty.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 7:43:18 PM

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One thing you can say in favor of the Radicals is that their nominations aren't 'beauty contests'!

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 7:54:09 PM

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Santorum - who knows what he will do?

It won't be pretty.

1) You're DEAD-ON about Romney or Newty... it'll be like our very own "Brothers Grimm" from out west are running the PR Dept at (presumably) Romney HQ... though it won't since they're just regurgiTATORS.

2)Paul ... who really fucking cares? The GOP faced with him will pull an end run and DRAFT if it even looks like Paul had enough delegates. He's completely spookey to real republicans

3)Santorum will put on his best sweater-vest and try and draw attacks from the left. And once he's got em, he'll do that SICKENING FAKE FUCKING PERSONAL OUTRAGE they pull here and in other places. I feel bad for his little girl... she's as good as a wheel chock for under the bus if he gets nominated.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/15/2012 9:00:52 PM

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You ain't seen nuthin yet.

If Mitt or Newt get the nomination, they'll try to overcome the lack of GOP enthusiasm with nasty negative campaigning. Paul will simply reiterate his stances. Santorum - who knows what he will do?

It won't be pretty.

I find so many people get turned off to negative attack ads. If that is to be their primary tool for getting votes, than Mr. Obama will have an easy time getting re-elected. Would you vote for someone that spends much of their time trying to pick apart other people's thoughts on how the country should be run, while giving nothing in the way of solid concepts that have some credible evidence to back it up? Or someone that has a plan, and is willing to explain the details with you while accepting the idea that maybe, just maybe, you might have a good idea or insight that would move the plan further along (and benefits the whole country, not a tiny percentage)? Romeny, Gingrich and Santorum have been running for the last many months on their personality rather than showing any solid ideas that are back up with proof that shows the idea could work well on a national level.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 12:45:32 AM

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I find so many people get turned off to negative attack ads. If that is to be their primary tool for getting votes, than Mr. Obama will have an easy time getting re-elected.

The thing, though, is that the Dems have to resist the urge to slime-sling in their own campaigning, especially in response to the Radicals' filth. This is an all too human weakness that some Dems have fallen prey to, and it undercuts their legitimacy. If Dems everywhere take an across the board high road, they could cripple the Radicals in the next election. Trying to out-slime them would be a bad mistake.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 3:17:08 AM

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I find so many people get turned off to negative attack ads. If that is to be their primary tool for getting votes, than Mr. Obama will have an easy time getting re-elected.

The thing, though, is that the Dems have to resist the urge to slime-sling in their own campaigning, especially in response to the Radicals' filth. This is an all too human weakness that some Dems have fallen prey to, and it undercuts their legitimacy. If Dems everywhere take an across the board high road, they could cripple the Radicals in the next election. Trying to out-slime them would be a bad mistake.

This campaign will be as positive as the last one was.Issue based and on the up & up.

We`ll hear and see nasty things but they won`t be coming from the Obama campaign.

As this election unfolds and the mud starts flying,one thing that we can count on is that the Obama campaign won`t be throwing it.

As the con-didate start looking like mud,they`ll attempt to link all the democratic negative ads to the Obama campaign.

But that`ll only work on cons and they don`t matter b/c they`re voting for newtromney anyway, normal folks won`t buy it or care.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 5:05:57 AM

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I find so many people get turned off to negative attack ads.

IMO they are very effective short term but long term result in apathy.

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If that is to be their primary tool for getting votes, than Mr. Obama will have an easy time getting re-elected. Would you vote for someone that spends much of their time trying to pick apart other people's thoughts on how the country should be run, while giving nothing in the way of solid concepts that have some credible evidence to back it up? Or someone that has a plan, and is willing to explain the details with you while accepting the idea that maybe, just maybe, you might have a good idea or insight that would move the plan further along (and benefits the whole country, not a tiny percentage)? Romeny, Gingrich and Santorum have been running for the last many months on their personality rather than showing any solid ideas that are back up with proof that shows the idea could work well on a national level.

I'd rephrase that as them running on images, not personality, although agreed in that they are not running on issues and ideas.

Romney's brand is that he is a private sector miracle worker capable of healing the economy.
Gingrich's brand is that he is a conservative and the alternative to Romney.
Santorum's brand is that he is a conservative and the alternative to Romney.
Paul's brand is that he is the Libertarian.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 5:13:01 AM

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I really do not know why so many take this election cycle seriously. Other than Paul, all candidates are of the Corporate/Bankster cloth at the minimum. Seriously, the candidates are arguing over the arrangement of the deck chairs on Titanic and the electorate over the candidates' choice of colors.

Personally, I prefer the mud slinging ads. Much more entertaining

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 5:26:04 AM

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the candidates are arguing over the arrangement of the deck chairs on Titanic...

Going with the Titanic imagery, I think it would be more accurate to say that at least Gingrich and Santorum are arguing over the best heading to steer to make sure that we don't miss the iceberg.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 5:40:55 AM

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I think it would be more accurate to say that at least Gingrich and Santorum are arguing over the most certain heading for the iceberg.

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Are they? Really? (edit : OK, your edit makes better sense, though Romney is no better.)

We couldn�t read the Premier�s lips because he was conspicuous by his absence. But Dalton McGuinty has been explicit in recent speeches — the $16-billion deficit that is on course to balloon to $30-billion within seven years, will not be balanced by raising taxes.

There is no reprieve here,” he said, pointing to low growth rates as far as the eye can see.

The report said the slow decline of Ontario’s manufacturing sector is partly to blame for the malaise that will see the deficit double and net debt rise to 50% of GDP by 2017/18. But it did not gloss over the culpability of a Liberal government that has failed to keep spending in line with revenue growth.

The same need to keep spending in line with revenue growth is as applicable to the US as it is to Canada.

What has to happen for that to become a reality?

In 2000 in the United States we had to absorb, by my figures, approximately a 10% GDP contraction to restore balance from the stupidity dating back to 1980. By the end of 2007 that figure had reached 20%. Today, just four years later, it's nearly 40%.

This is a geometric series in both time and magnitude and the next step, if we do not stop it right now, will be upon us within two to three years and consume the entirety of the economy.

Except for Paul, THAT is what is not being openly addressed by any candidate.

edit: Why is it the electorate wants to hit the berg?

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 5:48:57 AM

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Except for Paul, THAT is what is not being openly addressed by any candidate.

I was thinking more of their determination to make sure we don't pass up any chance to push the world closer to Armageddon, so that Christ can return and rule as King.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 5:54:20 AM

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Except for Paul, THAT is what is not being openly addressed by any candidate.

I was thinking more of their determination to make sure we don't pass up any chance to push the world closer to Armageddon, so that Christ can return and rule as King.

K.

In that sense they could all bow out. Obama is doing just fine.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 6:50:58 AM

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Romney's brand is that he is a private sector miracle worker capable of healing the economy.
Gingrich's brand is that he is a conservative and the alternative to Romney.
Santorum's brand is that he is a conservative and the alternative to Romney.
Paul's brand is that he is the Libertarian.

The problem is, none of these individuals seem like the type that I could except a 'sit down and chat' discussion on a wide range of federal issues. They would constantly be needing to show 'how conservative' they are or 'how christian' their thoughts are. In so doing, they take the discussion away from the 'nuts and bolts' and place into something more violent and 'its my way or the highway' attitude. I really dont care what someone's political philosophy is, if they can give a good insight on how to lower the unemployment rate without setting this country up for a long term problem/issue else where. Nor do I want to deal with some religious person whom wears their religion on their sleeve while debating how to improve on the American Affordable Care Act.

Mr. Obama is the sort of individual that would enjoy such conversations and discussion. The guy has a busy schedule and I can understand that. Still, he would be someone that would make the time (and geniunely make a sacrifice) if the potential to make improvements in to American's lives existed. Failing that, he would sent along people to listen and get such feedback/information back to him. Unlike Mr. Romney, Mr. Gingrich, Mr. Santorum, and especially Mr. Paul; these individuals would only join the discussion if they had a personal potential gain from it. Mr. Paul is an ACTUAL representative from the House of Representatives; the same organization that has single digit approval numbers. These GOP candidates speak of 'Doom & Gloom' rather than 'Lets fix the country for the better'.

I believe we should be placing as much expectations on the GOP candidates as we do the President. In fact, I would expect conservatives to hold these individuals to the same level (if not twice the level) of accountibility and responsbility as they bash Mr. Obama on an hourly basis! The President not only stated how he would fix some of the major problems in this country (the economy, healthcare, foreign policy, etc) but has put forth actual documents in the hopes a good discussion would take place and new ideas would be generate from it. That way the final concept could be put before Congress (who will than water it down to practically useless status). But at least Americans will see that the President is on their side, and certain parts of Congress are not (like those House Republicans). What sort of 'indepth material' have the four GOP candidates put forth for analysis and discussion? Practically nothing; what little there is, is now a joke. That is why I dont see any of these four individuals being given the office as a good or wise decision.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 7:19:35 AM

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But at least Americans will see that the President is on their side

Yeah,,, his latest budget proposal is most certainly on their side.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 7:37:08 AM

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This is what us conservatives think about CNN's analysis, and all you Progressives who believe them.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 7:41:01 AM

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I have a slightly different take. I think the Republicans no longer have the ideology that will help take the United States into the future with the current problems that both our country, and the world, face. They, as a party, must completely redefine themselves if they are going to stay relevant. The issue is not so much the negative campaigning, as it is a lack of vision for what needs to be done and how. The Republicans are mired in issues like birth control and immigration and other things that, quite frankly, are, in the long run, not where the real solutions are going to come from. They have spent so much time over the last 4 decades catering to the religious right, the racists, the jingoists, etc. that they no longer no how to come up with anything outside of that line of thinking. And the future of America and the world is not going to lie with religion mixing with politics, racism, or jingoism. That is not where the future is headed. I am not saying the Democrats have it figured out either, but they are at least grappling with some of the correct issues. The Republicans aren't even grappling with the right issues.

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RE: CNN poll: Republicans losing fire for election - 2/16/2012 9:39:55 AM

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They have spent so much time over the last 4 decades catering to the religious right...

I think the Republican Party is way past catering to the religious right. At this point, I think it's been pretty much co-opted by the religious right. And that's a very troubling development. Conservatives and liberals have something in common, namely, a shared committment to the best interests of the country. That makes it possible for them to respect each other, and to hammer out compromises, despite their disagreements on priorities and how to pursue them.

But the hard religious right shares no such common ground, not with conservatives, not with liberals, nor with anybody else. Their primary committment is not to the country, but to what they think God wants. Their goal is nothing less than to gain enough power to make the Bible, not the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. And they have come far enough to run candidates for the Republican nomination to be President of the United States.

That's far enough for me. I don't just want them to lose. They have to lose. And the bigger the loss the better. My only regret is that it's going to have to be to Obama, who in my opinion is an empty suit.

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