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SharedLife -> Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/16/2012 9:15:26 AM)
A question that I would guess is mainly for the submissives. I have been chatting to someone recently about BDSM. To put some context to the conversation she is very interested in the scene and has done some Internet research, fantasised and "played alone" but has virtually no actual experience. In conversation I mentioned sub space and she replied that she believed she experienced that after her "play". From her description my own reaction was that was more likely to be the, post orgasmic glow which can admittedly be most delicious but isnt sub space in the way that I define it, or that my previous partners have experienced it (this profile is reasonably new but I am not, sadly in any sense, "new"). She then asked "OK so is there a way for a submissive to (safely) experience sub space alone" and my reply was No....<erm>...... I don't think so.... <erm>.....at least I have never heard of it... let me get an expert opinion !! - so here I am :) My own thought would be it might be something thats happened, by accident and pretty much as a one off to some - but as a general rule I would think if one started going into sub space then almost by definition one would lose the "focus" to continue doing whatever one was doing to get there.... and so would drift back out I guess the submissives are the real experts on this one, although answers and opinions from anyone are of course welcome and appreciated - and of course (before someone states it) everyone is different, what works for one probably wont work for another, but I was non the less interested.... ......Can you consistently slip into sub space for a prolonged period whilst playing alone, or known a submissive who could ? And if so how do you personally self induce it ??

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/16/2012 9:31:35 AM)
Speaking only for myself, I don't think I could put myself into subspace because, as you said, i'd stop doing what I was doing. If I was getting there via pain, then definitely not - I can't self-inflict enough to do it. :p I have had endorphin rushes from like... hitting my thigh with a metal shoe horn, but subspace, to me, inncludes other things besides endorphin rushes. I've also zoned out and lost time in the old days when I was cutting, but that's. Not the same as subspace to me, either. For me, the response to the other person is important, too. (That's just my opinion.) So no, I don't thinnk I can go ito subspace on my ownn. I can get an endorphin high on my own, but that's only part of the subspace experience, to me.

hellionsLight -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/16/2012 10:59:47 AM)
I don't think I can do it to myself.

SharedLife -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/16/2012 3:59:44 PM)
Thank you both LillyBoPeep and hellionsLight Lilly you probably expressed my own thoughts better than I did :)

FemmeDominion -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/16/2012 4:09:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SharedLife Lilly you probably expressed my own thoughts better than I did :) I often feel this way about Lilly's writing. Just sayin' [:)]

DesFIP -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/16/2012 5:10:45 PM)
If you get there only from pain, then probably not. But that's not the only way to get there. People who get there from bondage and who do self bondage probably can achieve it alone. I've had it happen only once. He was expecting to get here at a certain hour and told me to be kneeling at the door when he arrived. About five minutes before his ETA I started kneeling. About 45 minutes later I looked up, realizing that my knees were locked and in pain and slowly got to my feet. I hadn't realized I had been in that position for more than ten minutes until I looked at the clock. So yes, it's possible albeit uncommon.

BitaTruble -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 12:30:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SharedLife Can you consistently slip into sub space for a prolonged period whilst playing alone, or known a submissive who could ? And if so how do you personally self induce it ?? I haven't been able to and it's probably a good thing or I would never get my chores done. [:D] I used to think it was just pain but the truth is the pain is only part or I could cut or something along those lines and get there. It's the combination of the pain and the energy. Having shared energy with one other person is pretty much the minimum for me to get to the 'out of mind' euphoric place ... then there was that one time where I got to share energy with about 150 people and that took me straight out of my body. What a fucking trip that was. Fakir Musofar tells of his experiences of self-induced subspace out of mind/out of body experiences. If you ever get the opportunity to hear his stories, I would advice you take advantage of it if you are interested in this topic. He self-induced via bondage. IIRC he said that he tied himself to a web and would stay there for hours until such time as he was able to experience a projection of himself who was able to walk around and view the world from that perspective. For example, he could turn around and look at himself still engaged in the bondage. Fascinating stuff, and sounds very similar to what I experienced which I attribute to hallucination. Also IIRC, he'd been able to self-induce that state only twice in his life. I'd do it again if I could but for me it just happened that one time which I directly attribute to the energy of all those people.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 2:01:18 AM)
Those sound like really interesting stories, Bita. :D I agree with the idea that the energy sharing has something to do with it. Will have to look up more stuff by this guy. :) P.s. SharedLife and FemmeDominion - thanks ^_^

BitaTruble -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 2:12:51 AM)
He used to own Body Play Magazine. That might be a good place to start. I spelled his name incorrectly. It's Fakir Musafar. One of the top 10 coolest guys on the planet. [:D]

LillyBoPeep -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 2:35:24 AM)
Sweet :D I will check him out, for sure. ^_^

kalikshama -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 8:25:51 AM)
As I don't normally enjoy inflicting pain on myself, I have never reached subspace that way, although that may change now that I have a TENS [8D] Using other methods, altered states of consciousness are fairly easy for me to obtain as long as I practice vairagya on the path to samadhi. I like the way Trevanian discusses this in Shibumi.

littleone35 -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 9:08:07 AM)
I am 100% sure i could not get there by myself. My Master is the only one who has eben able to put me in sub space, none of my previous play partners could. That is why i could not do it to myself. I guess i could try but i am sure it would not work. I need Master to get there. Matt's littleone

Darkfeather -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 9:52:04 AM)
quote: ......Can you consistently slip into sub space for a prolonged period whilst playing alone, or known a submissive who could ? And if so how do you personally self induce it ?? Getting to subspace is not only personal, it is mental. It is connecting simulations to the releasing of endorphins into the bloodstream. I have known subs who got rushes from bondage, corsets, sensory deprivation, etc. So if someone had the right mental pathways, getting to subspace alone would be quite easy

sexyred1 -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 2:23:28 PM)
I don't know if that is possible; for me, I need the other person there helping me into subspace. I doubt I could do it alone; I have gotten to blissful orgasmic states alone at times, but subspace, never. For me it is more than physical being in subspace, it more mental. So I need another to feed off of.

Darkfeather -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 2:36:46 PM)
That is the beauty of subspace, its subtle and varied cues, quirks, and mechanisms. The mind is one powerful sex organ, and can even be trained to associate new stimuli with desired situations.

LadyPact -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/17/2012 11:37:44 PM)
Normally, I don't barge in on this section, but I had to make an exception. Change the term and I would be a yes. I am very blessed in the endorphin department. I do not have to be actually engaging in play to hit top space. (There is another poster on the forum who can do it as well.) Everybody who had that this was mental as part of their reply hit it right on the nose. Whether I'm actually going to get space is dependent on a number of factors. What kind of mood I'm in, how receptive I am, the environment (noise level, et, and how much I am able to focus. Here's the funny part. It can't happen when I push myself into it. I have to drift. It's just like how a person lulls into space when they are playing with another person. Smooth and natural has a much better success rate. The other, which is something like trying to drag myself in, doesn't work because then I'm focusing on hitting space instead of allowing my mind to focus on what actually gets me there. No physical or sexual stimuli. It's all about getting Myself in the same mind frame as I am when I'm playing. If I go over a needle scene in my head, that is a good chance of success. However, it's not just thinking about the scene and remembering what happened. It's more like feeling the memory. I concentrate on how each part feels connected to putting a needle in someone. The rush of breaking the skin, coming out the first exist spot on the other side. Do the same for the other entry and exit points, and experience the thrill of the needle being in place, which is another added bit that is going on in my brain. It is kind of in slow motion, but I think that encourages the sensations that I recall feeling. Power and control. I have to be right frame of mind and I have to be at least a little bit receptive to allowing Myself to get a bit turned on through the process. I don't masturbate, but I'll definitely get wet. Power and control are very erotic to begin with, but whatever situation I'm playing in My mind has to turn Me on, too. That starts out fairly similar to that feeling you get in your chest when you are absolutely determined at what you are doing. Allowing the adrenaline to increase if part of what is going on in the mind makes you feel powerful. Two of My favorites tend to be sinking into the feeling of grabbing someone by the hair and feeling them yield to Me. Imagining how they respond in their breathing . Paying attention to how their neck would be extended so I am seeing the contour at that angle . The control I have that by simple grasp because they won't break it and they hold that position. In a more vicious mood (yeah, sadist) it's grabbing them by the throat and they have no choice but to go where I want them to go. Feeling the force that it takes to put them exactly where I want them and then adding a dash of pain in some way (pinch the nipple, etc) to show them just how much control I have over them and what it feels like to be the absolute center of their world. Writing both of the above got Me to the point where I start to drift. Had I followed through on either one in My head, I'd have been in a great mood. I do have a beginning of an endorphin rush and I'm making more typos than I normally would. (I can't spell either, trust Me.) If it doesn't work for you by fantasizing about play, try the same thing when you are watching other people play. Some people can walk into a dungeon and get a buzz. In that case, you're able to get a little help from the pheromones in the room, which are chemicals that trigger other chemicals.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/18/2012 7:39:41 AM)
I have to echo LadyPact's sentiments (but from the submissive's perspective). I have experienced it at times when I have not actually been playing, or not even in the presence of a Dominant. So, for me, it is possible. Although the most intense experiences I've had are all pain induced, so without play of some sort, I will not reach that very intense level. But I have experienced something similar, but less intense. Sometimes music can induce it in me. I also want to echo kalikshama's thoughts on altered consciousness. I think the responses to this question will be personal to each of us. And there is no right or wrong here, just different experiences, each valid and real in their own way. I did have someone tell me once that it was not possible for me to have experienced what I did on my own. Well, I've experienced very intense subspace from s&m play - I absolutely know what it feels like. And I know I have experienced something similar, although not as intense on my own. I can only speak from those experiences. And what I felt was real.

sincelo -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/18/2012 6:26:48 PM)
The one time i hit subspace there was no physical activity at all although there was another person involved so I am not sure that I could hit it alone or not. I know for me it does involve more of the mental aspects of BDSM than physical though.

sincelo -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/18/2012 6:29:16 PM)
quote: Some people can walk into a dungeon and get a buzz. In that case, you're able to get a little help from the pheromones in the room, which are chemicals that trigger other chemicals. This could also be the work of "Mirror Neurons" which are a really cool learning tool for many species but especially humans if you are interested in doing a little research.

pyroaquatic -> RE: Can one self-induce sub-space ? (2/19/2012 1:17:18 AM)
When one's sharp imagination cuts with clout into the realm of hallucination... it helps to have experience and a strong drive. Not necessarily a focal point. .... Damn Lady Pact, now I am all flustered.

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